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Old 02-11-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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I don't think so. It was a desert setting Southern Cal, and there was a highway in the distance. The video was shot by the woman who caused the landing, for simply being there.
She seems to have a male escort who was waiting at a newer olive drag jeep, that funny earthy green jeep is using, not a home brew paint job. The guy was older. late 60's maybe and she never appears so thar's no tellin'

Me, I am conservative and I don't like COPS. They made it that way not me.

COPS are nothing very special until you go and say so. Then they come out BSin around as if they do something important enough to get paid.... They don't really.

What they do is support the state and the system which is ALL BS.

You can make then have a bad hair day easy with one of these

THE PUBLIC SERVANT QUESTIONNAIRE

One day in front of 11 NH State Troopers I placed this red and blue dress against the 12th trooper's chest as if he were a woman holding the dress to see if it might fit.

I knew I was going to make an enemy but i didn't really care. The other 11 laughed like Hell.... 1 Enemy made, so what?
I like officers in general, but as to liking one "individually" depends on my encounter with them. Some, honestly, I think should be kicked in the arse and fired off the force for being such ignorant and arrogant fools. Others, I have the utmost respect for as they are quite adept at doing their job properly.

It all depends though and location doesn't have a correlation. I have met LA Country Sheriffs and City Officers who were outstanding and fully dedicated to the office of serving the people. I also have met officers in very small towns who were criminal in demeanor and implementation of the law.

It really is a case by case basis. I always meet an officer with a friendly smile and willingness to "help" them as long as they respect my liberty as well as their lawful duty. They go past that, and well... they don't like me very much, but... well... that is something that myself and their Chief get to discuss.
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:58 PM
 
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Aw, come on. I was glad they were doing their job and stopping cars like the one identified from the bank break-in that just happened. I had no break-in tools visible in my car so I was good to go. I'm purty sure I'd have known if the bad guy was in the car with me unless it had been a pub night.
I have tools in my trucks.... Car door jimmies the works... flat bars, crow bars pinch bars fubars hammers screw drivers, battery tools chargers for batter tools, guns, saws, gasoline, oil for chains saws, you name it. I mean 60 feet + of 3/8th hard chain, peavy, jacks, and more....

I am a master mechanic and can work on anything made by man....

I ain't got all day to explain to a fair handed cop what i do with tools....

Most cops know as much about tools as a woman does... Not a whole hellova lot..

Today for 2.5 hours I laid flat on my back on the ice cake working on a 1 ton diesel truck that needed some tlc. That truck is too big to get inside the shop. It's too big to get in the barn too and still have any room to do anything else.

I don't do pub night.....

last time i did I was the 'designated drunk'

The position is highly regarded around here in Police State NH.

It means that person isn't going to touch a single drop that night.

And so when yer buddies are set up and want to go home that person, the 'designated drunk', staggers out to his vehicle and fusses with the keys dropping them several times before he gets in.

Next he starts the engine and turns on the lights and then turns on the wipers and in summer the radio real loud too. The wopers are on when it ISN'T raining.

Occasional blowing the horn helps too, maybe getting out of the vehicle too and pretending to take a leak with the door left open and any other assorted festive appearing actions one can dream up to look polluted..

Once you begin to move but are still in the parking lot )private property) doing a burn out is a real plus and better than that doing a donut. Anything that will draw attention from cops.

Then you simply drive off as fast as is legal on the street......

man the cops will come down like flies on a cow pile for that......

And all the time you haven't done anything wrong.... All your buddies go home after a 'couple', and the LAw is confounded again.....

When I get to leave I just sing No tickets to Night My Friends all the way home.

I don't drink much anyway. In summer I like a cold beer in evenings sometimes and in winter after a hard long x-c ski day I like a bit of something in a cup of hot cocoa...

Yeah I am a real internet tuff guy don't try this at home.

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Old 02-11-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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At what point will the American people wake up and realize police are not your friend, nor are they in place to protect you.

They are simply revenue agents for a criminally corrupt organization known as government.
I think medicine can cure some of you paranoia!
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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Entering property that is not owned is trespassing.

Did she own the property?
i don't live in Cal, but i am pretty sure this was in Cal. She was in the desert and if i was going to really guess I would say between Bakersfield and Needles, but only because it looks like that there.

That and i have been there, and i have parked on the side of roads there and walked off the road a bit and checked out the rocks. In a place like that there is a whole lot of nuthin' and I assume it is state land, and pinching a few stones to take home and look at isn't a crime, and if it is then the LAW needs to be changed or we are going to have to bust a lot of little kids who found a colorful pebble.

I am not talking the National Park for petrified wood, but road side little stones.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:06 PM
 
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MAYBE because he thought she was an ILLEGAL? If we dont want them here the cops will have to do stupid wasteful stuff like this to be sure
Or you could just not hire them. A lot easier. Illegals come here because there's work.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:08 PM
 
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Here is something to think on.

You have the right to defend yourself against an officer. Keep in mind though, that if you ever attempt to do such, it must be VERY clear that you are in the right. Once an officer violates law against a citizen, they become like any other citizen in terms of the offense. Keep in mind though, that in cases where it is unsure of such, it will ALWAYS be given into the defense of the officer.

For example, if an officer has a gun drawn and pointed at you, it is not a justifiable offense to fire back at them in self defense alone. A police officer is considered "safe" in that their intent is never to harm, so in cases of such intent, the police officers intent is ALWAYS considered lawful.

So, in order to defend yourself against an officer, you MUST have clear evidence of them violating the law otherwise, in all cases where "intent" is considered, the favorable intent will be for the officer. Consider also, that when an officer commits the crime, in many states the sentencing is non-negotiable. That means, they will get the maximum sentence possible for any crime they commit BECAUSE they are an officer of the law.

Now, for the purpose of those who keep going off about how if you make a stand about your rights to an officer it will only result in the escalation to your detriment, keep in mind the point that an officer who breaks the law is no longer an officer and one is not constrained by the "expectations" of safety as it concerns one.

So, in a scenario where an officer unlawfully detains you, unlawfully searches you, etc.... and you resist clearly pointing out their violation (to which they escalate), you have EVERY right to defend yourself against them all the way up the use of force ladder. Keep in mind though, if you are wrong, if you are ignorant of the laws, etc... and do so, have mercy on you as the law will hit you harder than you can imagine.


Point is... Difference between and Officer of the Law and an average citizen is their oath. When that oath is broken, they are no longer an Officer of the Law.

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Old 02-11-2013, 03:10 PM
 
Location: USA
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I like officers in general, but as to liking one "individually" depends on my encounter with them. Some, honestly, I think should be kicked in the arse and fired off the force for being such ignorant and arrogant fools. Others, I have the utmost respect for as they are quite adept at doing their job properly.

It all depends though and location doesn't have a correlation. I have met LA Country Sheriffs and City Officers who were outstanding and fully dedicated to the office of serving the people. I also have met officers in very small towns who were criminal in demeanor and implementation of the law.

It really is a case by case basis. I always meet an officer with a friendly smile and willingness to "help" them as long as they respect my liberty as well as their lawful duty. They go past that, and well... they don't like me very much, but... well... that is something that myself and their Chief get to discuss.
I have to agree with you as well. I'd also like to say that race is not a factor. I'm a black male, and have had some of my worst experiences with black cops. I've had some of my best experiences with white cops.

I believe we need to look at this whole cop situation on a case by case basis. There are great cops, public servants, who are being held back. There are corrupt cops who are being promoted for all the wrong reasons.


We need to re-evaluate our policing system.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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*Snap* That's the sound of a rubber glove. Bend over and crack a smile.
You might like that...... The cop will have no choice but to kill me before I will submit to that. And while he is trying you can bank on I will be trying back...

Once I got cuffed to calm me down and the cop left to search my car..... Dammned fool I was more flexible then than I am now and I got his car keys and there on the ring was a spare set of cuff keys too!~

My Lucky Day....

Took off the cuffs, got out, and I wasn't under arrest either, and I danged that cops keys in the lights where he could see and then I friggin threw them in to the woods... I made sure to lock his car before I got out.

All of a sudden i wan't so bad of a bad guy since he now was far from the world of man way out in the woods and he would have to smash and bash his own squad car to get any use of it.

We made a few deals, but I had nothing, i had done nothing in the first place. I could have just left him stranded but i didn't.

Not everyone is happy to be bugged for no reason when they are doing nothing wrong..

I fish and hunt on national and state lands all the time. I shoot on national and state owned lands too all the time.. I expect if a cop hears or sees something that he may ride by, take a look and maybe wave if he wants too. I don't expect to be kicked to the curb and treated like a crook but i have been..

I don't like road blocks where they stop everyone..... If they are looking for a guy they need better ID for that guy and not stop every single vehicle just because they can....

People have forgotten what a public servant IS. Public Servants are not better people just because they have a job that is tax paid.....
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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You might like that...... The cop will have no choice but to kill me before I will submit to that. And while he is trying you can bank on I will be trying back...

Once I got cuffed to calm me down and the cop left to search my car..... Dammned fool I was more flexible then than I am now and I got his car keys and there on the ring was a spare set of cuff keys too!~

My Lucky Day....

Took off the cuffs, got out, and I wasn't under arrest either, and I danged that cops keys in the lights where he could see and then I friggin threw them in to the woods... I made sure to lock his car before I got out.

All of a sudden i wan't so bad of a bad guy since he now was far from the world of man way out in the woods and he would have to smash and bash his own squad car to get any use of it.

We made a few deals, but I had nothing, i had done nothing in the first place. I could have just left him stranded but i didn't.

Not everyone is happy to be bugged for no reason when they are doing nothing wrong..

I fish and hunt on national and state lands all the time. I shoot on national and state owned lands too all the time.. I expect if a cop hears or sees something that he may ride by, take a look and maybe wave if he wants too. I don't expect to be kicked to the curb and treated like a crook but i have been..

I don't like road blocks where they stop everyone..... If they are looking for a guy they need better ID for that guy and not stop every single vehicle just because they can....

People have forgotten what a public servant IS. Public Servants are not better people just because they have a job that is tax paid.....
Mac, there are very few officers what would escalate to the excited result that he hopes for. Those that would, honestly, deserve the ultimate result of their actions. Thing is, even the bullies know when not to push it with someone who knows the law and is willing to stand up against abusers. They may get aggressive, do a lot of insulting and intimidating, but they will back down.

What unnerves me more is the fact that he actually believes such should happen or thinks it normal. If we get a society filled with his type, the law won't matter, rights won't matter, only someone walking around with a badge will and that will make us no different than a 3rd world country with some self established law that applies it to their benefit.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:25 PM
 
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She was justified in having an attitude! She owed no explanation to that POS cop. Too bad she wasn't armed! It's ridiculous in this country to have to have an explanation when there's no crime being committed.
Oh for ford's sake.
What did you want her to do with a gun? Kill the cop?

Gun nutz are insane, statements like those above prove it.
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