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Can I use that at work instead of getting tested?
Cool idea.
The presumtion of innocence is a concept of law. The requirement to pass a drug test, as 85% of US business now requires, is a decision made by the company. There is no law that says you must pass a drug test to be employed in the US. At least, not yet.
The difference between someone who works, and as an employment requirement has to pass a drug test, is different from a welfare user, for the reason cited above. If you are seeking employment, you have to follow the requirements of the employer. Welfare users are not employees. The Feds do require drug testing for some government employees. They can do this because the people they are testing are employees.
Welfare users are not employees they are citizens. As citizens they are subject to laws, not employer requirements. The government is limited as to what it can do to citizens. Companies are less restricted.
Besides, all the states that have tried drug testing welfare users have found that very few drug users are on welfare. Alcohol, as a legal drug, is much cheaper, and poor people simply can not afford drugs. Drug testing for all states trying it was more expensive than it was effective.
Speaking from personal experience(many years ago), I can say, anything more than small amounts, MJ use makes a person unable to operate a motor-vehicle safely.
That's true.
The DOT as far as I know has zero {0} tolerance for drug use.
If states want to implement drug testing for SNAP beneficiaries, or for other entitlements, {not UE comp or SS benefits} I can see the ACLU getting involved because that would be infringement upon someone's rights.
Every time the subject comes up someone's always whining about how it infringes upon the rights of welfare recipients.
Me? I'm all for it. If you're on welfare because you've fallen on hard times and are working in earnest to turn your life around by getting a job, stay clean/sober, going to school or in any other way be a more self sufficient person then I bear you no ill will but what about my right not to have to fund the lives of deadbeats, junkies and other assorted losers who are just gaming the system? If you don't want to be drug tested then don't have your handout. Pretty simple.
Actually, I think if you get ANY kind of federal assistance, a drug test should be required. As long as they are illegal, then if you choose to ignore that fact, then you should be held responsible.
Someone who has fallen on hard times and is working in earnest to turn things around, has no time for illegal drugs, so they won't be affected.
The presumtion of innocence is a concept of law. The requirement to pass a drug test, as 85% of US business now requires, is a decision made by the company. There is no law that says you must pass a drug test to be employed in the US. At least, not yet.
The difference between someone who works, and as an employment requirement has to pass a drug test, is different from a welfare user, for the reason cited above. If you are seeking employment, you have to follow the requirements of the employer. Welfare users are not employees. The Feds do require drug testing for some government employees. They can do this because the people they are testing are employees.
Welfare users are not employees they are citizens. As citizens they are subject to laws, not employer requirements. The government is limited as to what it can do to citizens. Companies are less restricted.
Besides, all the states that have tried drug testing welfare users have found that very few drug users are on welfare. Alcohol, as a legal drug, is much cheaper, and poor people simply can not afford drugs. Drug testing for all states trying it was more expensive than it was effective.
Actually, those states who tried drug testing welfare users, didn't have a 100% turn out,
Though this story talks about recovering "missed benefits", there is more to the story.
Republican Gov. Rick Scott championed a law that required welfare applicants to pay for and pass a drug test from July through October last year. Roughly 4,000 adults did not have drugs in their system and 108 tested positive. Nearly 2,500 people refused to take the drug test.
4000 took the test, 108 failed, almost 2500 people refused the test. If I needed the assistance, I would step up and provide a sample to prove I wasn't using drugs in a heartbeat. So, why would almost 39% of the people refuse? Something to hide?
Now I am sure that within that 39% there are actually some who are legitimately annoyed with having to take a drug test, but I seriously doubt that the entire group of 2500 people fall into that category.
Had the entire group of 6500 been tested, I am fairly sure the end totals would have been very different.
4000 took the test, 108 failed, almost 2500 people refused the test. If I needed the assistance, I would step up and provide a sample to prove I wasn't using drugs in a heartbeat. So, why would almost 39% of the people refuse? Something to hide?
Now I am sure that within that 39% there are actually some who are legitimately annoyed with having to take a drug test, but I seriously doubt that the entire group of 2500 people fall into that category.
Had the entire group of 6500 been tested, I am fairly sure the end totals would have been very different.
Many couldn't afford it. At any rate, its being appealed, and will likely fail to pass judicial oversight.
Continuing the process still costs the state of Florida more money then it will save.
Shouldn't there be some kind of tests for corporate subsidies? Hint hint, wallstreet bank bailouts, big oil, obamas failed "green" companies, and so on.
It seems to me that those of you opposing drug testing welfare recipients don't want take any measures to ensure that they're using the money they're receiving responsibly.
I say drug testing for driver's licenses, all employment, gun registration, all sba loans and school grants.
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