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Old 02-18-2013, 04:13 PM
 
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,if 99% of the media wasnt in love with the guy-he'd have been forced to step down, like nixon did.

 
Old 02-18-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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Big fan of witch hunters are ya?
Did you catch that? Yesterday in New Guinea those brain dead idiots burned a woman to death for being a witch..

serious:

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Accused witch burned alive in Papua New Guinea
 
Old 02-18-2013, 04:51 PM
 
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Lets talk about it.
No, I think a truly great President bends the arc of history so to speak and what was before he came is changed forever once he leaves office.

Using that definition the last truly great President was FDR. Every President since has been attempting to manage his overwhelming legacy.

LBJ gets an honorable mention. Passing the 2 Civil Rights Amendments and 1 voting rights amendments, Creating Medicare, Medicaid, and Head Start are programs that will last the test of time.
 
Old 02-18-2013, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Obama has done an amazing job compared to George W. Bush. Obama's first term started cleaning up the mess Bush left. Just imagine where we would be if Obama actually had a GOP looking to make deals.
Do you think that Obama can clean up the mess he left himself? I wonder about that.
 
Old 02-18-2013, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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J F K
JFK is one of, if not the most overrated president ever.
 
Old 02-18-2013, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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I wouldn't say "Great". I'd bestow that title on guys like Lincoln or the Roosevelts. But Clinton was better than average.
Yeah one guy unjustifiably imprisoned Japenese people for the color of their skin, even though there were japense people fighting for this country during WW2. He also implemented entitlement programs that are backrupting the nation. The other guy suspended habeas corpus, Censored the press, and spied on americans. Even though as a black person I am appreciative for freeing the slaves, if a president today had done the things Lincoln did we would be calling him a Hilter or Stalin.
 
Old 02-18-2013, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Summerville, SC
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No he was horrible, he let the economy grow too fast during the .com boom(after large spikes in growth there is a downturn, the economy is cyclical)

He did little to nothing with Bin Laden's first attack of the WTC bombings, then the embassy bombings, and the USS Cole, which eventually allowed Al Qaeda and Bin Laden to grow balls and escalate to 9/11.... Say what we may about Bush and his wars, but did we see any terrorist attacks remotely as bad as any of those once the US went on the offensive?

The SUV craze, and McMansions fiasco started on his watch. A legacy of spend more then you can afford.

Legislation that forced lenders to lend to people who were not financially solvent.

That is ignoring the sex scandal, and mockery of our highest office.

He is by far, not a great president. His biggest saving grace is the internet was invented which caused a huge boom in the economy, so he road the wave.
 
Old 02-18-2013, 06:57 PM
 
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JFK is one of, if not the most overrated president ever.
Well, SOMETHING got him kilt!
 
Old 02-18-2013, 06:58 PM
 
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Of the modern presidnets of late he and Regan where politcians who knew how to comprmise.Basically clinto worked with Gingrich to balance the budget whith both giving . Reag worked with Tip Oneal to creat what results we saw in cold war ;to the econmic growth out of the recessio started under Carter.Even Bush II copromised o his medicare drug program to get a bartican support. To govern takes the consent of teh governa ;so you must bulid support for anyhtigto be accpeted really. that is one of Obamas biggest mistakes ;IMO.
 
Old 02-18-2013, 07:03 PM
 
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Legislation that forced lenders to lend to people who were not financially solvent.
This is a lie. I don't know why conservatives believe this lie, but it has been disproven time and time again.

Here is a very simple test, during the financial crisis, the public by wide margins were against and very very angry that the banks were bailed out. Despite public opposition and outrage, the banks got their money.


Now, do you imagine an industry that has the power to force Congress to give them money despite public outrage is going to allow that same Congress to pass legislation that forces them to lend to "those people" who can't afford the loan?

Where are the internal memo's from bank CEO's or execs saying, hey, the government is forcing us to lend to "those people" which is resulting in bad loans that will destroy our business?

Where was the furious lobbying efforts by the banks to get this legislation changed?

Where were the ads, taken out in newspapers, tv, magazines, etc about the impending destruction of the banks because the government passed legislation that made them lend to "those people".

In the conservative fantasy, the banks would have to have done nothing in order for it not to be widely known that new legislation had been passed that forced them to lend to "those people".
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