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Old 02-21-2013, 04:59 PM
 
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I repeat, what is a kid who has this aptitude and no others supposed to do? Come on, tell me. You're so good at mocking, belittling and talking down to people, so I'm sure you have all the answers..
There is nothing wrong with dancing for a living, but to put all your chickens in that basket seems kind of ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as calling it a degree. If the kid can dance, then she should dance, be an extra, do what it takes. But dropping 30k on the off-chance it might help her break into a dancing career does not seem like rational adult thinking to me. When she applies for a show are they going to ask to inspect her degree or ask to watch her dance?
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:11 PM
 
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I repeat, what is a kid who has this aptitude and no others supposed to do? Come on, tell me. You're so good at mocking, belittling and talking down to people, so I'm sure you have all the answers..
I have a close friend, whom I really respect but I really wish I would have told it to him straight years ago when he decided to get a degree in '3d animation'. What kind of degree is that? He spent $60,000 dollars. sixty thousand dollars. Why didn't he just..you know..start doing 3d animation, every day until he was good at it? What possible use is a degree in '3d animation'? Its art, its technique, its learning to operate software, the bottom line is, its all practice. He has never (and never will) get a job in that industry. That friend of mine works security at a casino now, and will be paying off those loans for years to come no doubt. Dance seems just the same to me, just my opinion.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:29 PM
 
Location: FL
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Really? Common?
I try not to speak in absolutes and say no one does it as there might be a few scarce examples but common? Why would companies do something that is known for not working well because it causes higher turnover, which causes increased costs through training and therefore lowers inefficiency?
When there aren't many jobs they can and do.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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We need to test everyone in 10th grade. If they haven't shown aptitude and attitude to succeed by then, no public funding or loans for college. Teach them a trade.

For the rest, the top 20%, give them a free ride to any college they can gain admission into. Nothing stimulates things like a dose of healthy competition.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:39 PM
 
Location: FL
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Sorry, but forcing anyone into nondischargeable crippling student debt to do so is unconscionable.

What $200,000 In Student Loan Debt Looks Like
Who is forcing any one to go to college? No one has to go but the opportunity is there if the choose.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:41 PM
 
Location: FL
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Exactly. The very fact that our right wing friends still refuse to acknowledge this tells me they are deliberately attempting to misunderstand because it has been explained to them for decades.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I don't know about it being liberal's fault but, it's amazing how jobs that are barely above minimum wage, often want a four year degree and 1-2 years minimum experience.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:53 PM
 
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I don't know what's so terrible about it. I could be off a little on my numbers. But it's somewhere around 20%.

Affirmative Action does force people to people to do things. That's is it's purpose. To force schools and businesses ti educate/hire certain groups of people or face consequences.

Misunderstood what you meant by alumni. But you can't outlaw prvilege. And accepting legacy students is obviously a good idea or schools wouldn't do it. I see no reason not to do it. Especially for private colleges.

Not that I really care. However, AA is really not that simplistic. But if you have a problem with that, then how is legacy privilege not a problem for you?

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Legacy preferences provide the equivalent of a 160 point boost on the math and verbal SATs, not the “tiebreaker” that many universities claim . These preferences disproportionately benefit wealthy white students, providing, in essence, affirmative action for the rich.

Legacy preference began after World War I, in part as a way to screen out Jewish applicants. In more recent years, they’ve been justified as a method for inducing alumni giving, but a recent study of the nation’s 100 top universities found that when controlling for relevant factors, the existence of a legacy preference is not associated with increased generosity.
Affirmative Action for the Rich - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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You ever stop and think the guy might work for a company that builds roads??????
And? Just because you work on an assembly line doesn't mean you can take what you make and use it for free.

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Anytime a statist wants to make a "point" they talk about roads. Like somehow the private sector is incapable of building and maintaining roads. lols. They'd do a better job than the government, that's for sure.
"That's for sure." Following baseless assertions with "That's for sure," doesn't make your assertions true. Try backing up your claims with actual support.

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Thank God for the government. I wouldn't be able to travel anywhere without their help. lmao.
Man, this kind of ignorance is just depressing. Tell you what. Try keeping to those roads that the government didn't have a hand in facilitating the creation and maintenance of and let us know how your travel goes. Ok?

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Old 02-21-2013, 06:23 PM
 
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I don't see this as a liberal/conservative issue.

1st problem is the whole darn system is a scam. Employers don't want to train people anymore. Back in the 70s and early 80s, you could get on-the-job training to be a bookkeeper or administrative assistant. Now, you need a degree plus work experience to get one of these jobs.

2nd problem is kids are told they won't amount to anything without a degree. Therefore, Junior with a 2.0 GPA goes to the University of Phoenix and racks up $70,000 in debt for a degree in Graphic Arts. Really, Junior enjoys taking apart engines so he should have went to trade school instead.
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