Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
The entire higher education thing is a huge racket. That's why tuitions keep increasing. It's all a money maker for the universities, book makers, professors, etc. By requiring a college degree for just about everything, this guarantees the universities a never ending cash flow. Many jobs out there that pay a decent wage don't even need college. The IT market is one. Trade schools for IT are better and faster.
How are you going to pay over $100,000 for a degree in "fashion"?
Well considering that ready to wear "Fashion" is a $298 billion industry in the U.S. alone, and according the Bureau of Labor Statistics the media pay for fashion designers is $64,530 per year that $100,000 doesn't seem as silly as you might think.
But I understand your ignorance having made the same stupid assumptions when I was in college and almost got caught sneering at a young lady who was soon to graduate from Cornell's School of Human Ecology. Her major had been consumer psychology and had landed a $60,000 a year job (this was back in the early 80's) picking colors for product labels.
Many jobs out there that pay a decent wage don't even need college. The IT market is one. Trade schools for IT are better and faster.
I'm an IT hiring manager. No degree = no job. The only people in IT without at least a B.S. are the interns. To be considered for a position, a candidate must have a strong understanding of mathematics, sciences, and engineering, even it these don't directly apply to their position. Then on top of that are certifications and continuing education if an employee wants to stay competitive. Otherwise you're competing against contract programmers in India, Brazil, et al. To break into management a person usually needs an M.S.
The article is garbage and isn't common practice because it doesn't work for most companies. First we hear over qualified can't get hired because they'll leave and now this.
What happens to the college person when something opens up in their field? They going to stay with the $10 an hour job? Of course not.
The entire higher education thing is a huge racket. That's why tuitions keep increasing. It's all a money maker for the universities, book makers, professors, etc. By requiring a college degree for just about everything, this guarantees the universities a never ending cash flow. Many jobs out there that pay a decent wage don't even need college. The IT market is one. Trade schools for IT are better and faster.
Trade school isn't as good as a university for IT from an employer standpoint nor cheaper.My brother works in IT and the companies he worked for won't even interview a trade school graduate.
I'm an IT hiring manager. No degree = no job. The only people in IT without at least a B.S. are the interns. To be considered for a position, a candidate must have a strong understanding of mathematics, sciences, and engineering, even it these don't directly apply to their position. Then on top of that are certifications and continuing education if an employee wants to stay competitive. Otherwise you're competing against contract programmers in India, Brazil, et al. To break into management a person usually needs an M.S.
You are looking for too much. They ALL do. All you recruiters want someone who knows how to do EVERYTHING for hardly any money. The bottom line is you don't need what you are requiring. You are part of the problem that this very thread is addressing. Why do you need someone with knowledge in higher degrees of math, science or engineering? Those have absolutely nothing at all to do with most IT jobs. All you need to know is what you are applying for, and so you are aware, years of experience replace degrees in almost all IT jobs. Who cares about management, It's over rated and you have to be an ass kisser.
It's interesting that universities are never held accountable for their expensive and rising tuition costs, the way other industries are vilified. Why should a higher education cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars that the student (if they graduate and even manage to find a job in their field) spends decades paying off?
Shouldn't education be affordable for the average person without relying on scholarships, government grants and loans? Why do these bastions of Liberalism look like monuments to greed and unrestrained Capitalism?
Well considering that ready to wear "Fashion" is a $298 billion industry in the U.S. alone, and according the Bureau of Labor Statistics the media pay for fashion designers is $64,530 per year that $100,000 doesn't seem as silly as you might think.
But I understand your ignorance having made the same stupid assumptions when I was in college and almost got caught sneering at a young lady who was soon to graduate from Cornell's School of Human Ecology. Her major had been consumer psychology and had landed a $60,000 a year job (this was back in the early 80's) picking colors for product labels.
That's all well and good, but she didn't land that $60k job did she? Back in the 80s it was the case that a college education was a significant stepping stone (Never mind the fact that in the 80s $60k is like today's $160k)....the point I was making, and the point of the whole thread is that college is becoming less of a stepping stone.
With that in mind, taking on $100k in debt knowing that many graduates are unemployed, underemployed, or not employed in their field of study seems to me to be a bit foolhardy.
Not "sneering" btw, more "lamenting with"...
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
