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Old 03-04-2013, 07:22 AM
 
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:27 AM
 
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The Obama administration continues to deliver............................economic misery to the US. The policies of high taxes, increased regulations, no use of federal lands for energy exploration, and the burden of Obamacare continues to erode the standard of living and wages in America. Dems and the libs OWN this economy, as thier policies have done nothing but perpetuate poor economic activity.

Consumer Spending in U.S. Climbs Even as Taxes Hurt Incomes - Bloomberg



It's called a tax increase. And it's thanks to Congress, not Obama. Congress allowed the payroll tax to increase because they couldn't agree to enough cuts.

Do you people want us to shore up our economy or do you think it's better to keep paying off debt with even more debt?

Or are you just so desperate to blame Obama for your personal problems that you'll cling to ANYTHING that you can pin to him? Seriously people, he's president until 2016, just GET OVER IT. A black man with a funny name is our president, he's not that liberal (Dennis Kucinich is an actual liberal wannabe socialist, Obama is a corporatist/expansionist who isn't even as socialist as Berlusconi) and he's mediocre on economic issues. How about you focus more on making the world a better place? I don't like what our public schools do, so I volunteer with inner-city teenagers to make up for the shortcomings in their education. Instead of blaming Obama for everything, how about doing something about it?
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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It's called a tax increase. And it's thanks to Congress, not Obama. Congress allowed the payroll tax to increase because they couldn't agree to enough cuts.

Do you people want us to shore up our economy or do you think it's better to keep paying off debt with even more debt?

Or are you just so desperate to blame Obama for your personal problems that you'll cling to ANYTHING that you can pin to him? Seriously people, he's president until 2016, just GET OVER IT. A black man with a funny name is our president, he's not that liberal (Dennis Kucinich is an actual liberal wannabe socialist, Obama is a corporatist/expansionist who isn't even as socialist as Berlusconi) and he's mediocre on economic issues. How about you focus more on making the world a better place? I don't like what our public schools do, so I volunteer with inner-city teenagers to make up for the shortcomings in their education. Instead of blaming Obama for everything, how about doing something about it?

That is hilarious.

Now you are saying that Obama supported TAX CUTS and the republicans wanted TAX INCREASES?

It must be "opposite day"!
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:38 AM
 
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The Obama administration continues to deliver............................economic misery to the US. The policies of high taxes, increased regulations, no use of federal lands for energy exploration, and the burden of Obamacare continues to erode the standard of living and wages in America. Dems and the libs OWN this economy, as thier policies have done nothing but perpetuate poor economic activity.

Consumer Spending in U.S. Climbs Even as Taxes Hurt Incomes - Bloomberg
Yet you "claim" that you are very well financially. Is your "so called" success these past 4 years the result of Obama, or do you only attribute your failures to him??
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:54 PM
 
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It's called a tax increase. And it's thanks to Congress, not Obama. Congress allowed the payroll tax to increase because they couldn't agree to enough cuts.

Do you people want us to shore up our economy or do you think it's better to keep paying off debt with even more debt?

Or are you just so desperate to blame Obama for your personal problems that you'll cling to ANYTHING that you can pin to him? Seriously people, he's president until 2016, just GET OVER IT. A black man with a funny name is our president, he's not that liberal (Dennis Kucinich is an actual liberal wannabe socialist, Obama is a corporatist/expansionist who isn't even as socialist as Berlusconi) and he's mediocre on economic issues. How about you focus more on making the world a better place? I don't like what our public schools do, so I volunteer with inner-city teenagers to make up for the shortcomings in their education. Instead of blaming Obama for everything, how about doing something about it?
Obama did nothing about the payroll tax increase. He can certainly be blamed.
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:03 PM
 
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Au contraire-

Under Obama, it has been the increased in discretionary spending which has killed us. Did you ever wonder, sans Bush's last year with a rabid democratic congress), why Bush's deficits were $400 billion and Obama's have been $1.2 trillion?
It


Wake up- Obama has caused discretionary spending to skyrocket. All spending, of course, needs to be addressed. However, if we simply returned to average Bush level spending levels NOW, we would have a balanced budget.
What does spending have to do with unemployment? Do you even understand that the principle threat to over spending is reflected in a poor product? The threat in that case is over employment. If you drink poison the concern is not blood loss. The ill effects of overspending, which I agree often is a problem, is when it crowds out other economic opportunity. Spending is not the problem. If we had a functioning financial system it most certainly would be. As soon as we hit high employment and high industrial utilizations I'll be glad to join you in condemning spending on stupidity. However for now, what is the point? The government is kicking a dead donkey in the head. Can't hurt what is already dead.

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Old 03-04-2013, 01:12 PM
 
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Yet you "claim" that you are very well financially. Is your "so called" success these past 4 years the result of Obama, or do you only attribute your failures to him??

My success is due to hard work and investing in the past. Over the last four years, Obama has helped to devalue the dollar and erode the US economy. Thus the price of my farmland (and the value of the cotton and soybeans it produces) has markedly increased in value. Also, my Iowa farm has increased in value.

Obama is the best friend of "the rich" by his ineptitude, however, I would rather have a strong nation and middle class than a few more scheckles in my pockets.
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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Obama did nothing about the payroll tax increase. He can certainly be blamed.
Oh for ford's sake, it was a temporary cut in the taxes.
It was not an increase.
Perhaps you should never had a break from taxes, would that have made you happy?
You'd have nothing to whine about if you paid the current rate all along, right.
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:18 PM
 
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What federal spending ?

The federal spending we have is defense, medicare, and bailout-related, mostly locked into place before Obama took office.

"Welfare" and "Stimulus" programs created under Obama have been very small.

Our primary response to this post-2008 deflationary crisis has been to loosen Federal Reserve monetary policy, not to have the Federal government spend more. The federal government was already on track to spend more back in 2008.

There is no "New New Deal", there are no railroads being constructed, no airports being constructed, no canals being dug, no dams being built. This is all a fiction in your right-wing lizard brain.





we haven't tried leftist policy. we're still attempting to stem the damage done by far-right policy.
I am not quite sure what this policy is. Its not creating money for the economy, even though its been all efforts of so called monetary policy. The closet so called leftist policy, Keynesian stimulus, is really quite humorous when that "stimulus" was given to the banking industry. A lovely lefty facade to crony capital. Thats monetarism in Keynesian clothing. That is like saying I paid off the debt I owed you because I gave it to a prostitute who promised to give it to you.

Milton Friedman Would Be Pushing For Easy Money Today - Forbes

It looks to me that Friedman has gone bust here. Is he not calling for Japan to engage in QE?
It’s very simple. They can buy long-term government securities, and they can keep buying them and providing high-powered money until the high powered money starts getting the economy in an expansion. What Japan needs is a more expansive domestic monetary policy.
If he were around today I wonder if he would have caught on to the asset saturation problem where quite simply unless assets have equity, banks will not loan. Liquidity trap.


So to monetarists I would ask, if money supply is so important, why can't you nits actually get it into the economy? I would declare monetarism to be in a state of embarrassment similar to the style of Keynesian we had in the 70s, which was clueless about economic rent; and thus when a oil shock came, it was a rent problem that labor could not fix. The theory was all thumbs just like monetarism today.
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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Oh for ford's sake, it was a temporary cut in the taxes.
It was not an increase.
Perhaps you should never had a break from taxes, would that have made you happy?
You'd have nothing to whine about if you paid the current rate all along, right.

I see so when a doctor takes the cast off early while you have a broken leg, that's the sort of medicine you like. Obama is either a fool or in the employment of cronies. The lefty stooges who line up behind him seem to have forgotten what progressive policy was. I could take a Republican at the turn of the century and an honest one would see FICA and the treasury stocking stuffer to be nothing but a regressive tax. He blew it completely. He is a total failure. Had there been a Republican in the office at least he would not act like smoke on the bee hive while cronies walk off with the honey. Now the lefties are in a happy stupor drooling away at their "victory" .
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