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I didn't mean to pick on you, I just worry about Zimmerman getting a fair trial. I was glad that some of the media attention had died down, but obviously the interest has not. Carry on.
Seems that his defense attorney would have asked for a change of venue if he had serious concerns about getting a fair trial. Just filing a motion for a change of venue in a case, preserves the issue for appeal in the future if he is convicted, even if the attorney doesn't think the defendant can get a fair trial anywhere. If they ask for change of venue, and the judge does not grant it, then the judge's ruling could be attacked at the appeal stage as judicial error, along with other issues.
I really don't hear much about this case, other than here on cd, and of course the Orlando news outlets when there is any kind of hearing. The jurors will be selected from citizens living in that judicial circuit, which does not include Orlando.
He was trying to figure out which building he was near, not what street he was on. There are no street names inside a condo complex parking lot. The 911 dispatcher wanted to know where in the complex he was located to direct the police officers.
There absolutely are street signs in his gated community. He said he couldn't remember the name of the street he was one, despite it being the main road in and one of only three streets in his subdivision. (The community he knew pretty well as its unofficial watchman.) He said he left his truck looking for street numbers and street signs. He supposedly walked all the way though the back of the buildings because he knew there would be street numbers on the other side of them, which was his own Retreat View Circle.
A few problems here:
1) He was right in front of a street number when he left his truck. Several of them actually. They tend to face streets.
2) He said he made it all the way through to Retreat View Circle but somehow never bothered to get a street number. He was still on the phone and told the operator to have the police call him when they arrived which implied he was still on the move and had no intention of stopping. If he merely wanted to be found by the police who were 2 minutes away he could have stayed at his truck or by the first unit with a street number he found on the other side.
3) He claims that he was only walking east-west behind those buildings and that Martin first spoke to him at the intersection of that walkway and the one that runs south to where Martin was staying. He said the fight took place behind the first unit south of that "T" and that they went down quickly. Unfortunately for his defense it took place two units south of the "T", as did the shooting.
4) One witness reports seeing two people running/chasing each other and were 10 feet apart. Zimmerman never mentions any of this. Why?
Zimmerman wasn't looking for street signs or numbers and he wasn't headed back to his truck. He was continuing his pursuit south and ran right into Martin. He might not be found guilty but these holes/lies in his story will not help his case.
Also, much of his defense is based on his head supposedly being "bashed" into concrete. There is zero testimony or medical evidence that shows his head was "bashed" into anything.
There absolutely are street signs in his gated community. He said he couldn't remember the name of the street he was one, despite it being the main road in and one of only three streets in his subdivision. (The community he knew pretty well as its unofficial watchman.) He said he left his truck looking for street numbers and street signs. He supposedly walked all the way though the back of the buildings because he knew there would be street numbers on the other side of them, which was his own Retreat View Circle.
A few problems here:
1) He was right in front of a street number when he left his truck. Several of them actually. They tend to face streets.
2) He said he made it all the way through to Retreat View Circle but somehow never bothered to get a street number. He was still on the phone and told the operator to have the police call him when they arrived which implied he was still on the move and had no intention of stopping. If he merely wanted to be found by the police who were 2 minutes away he could have stayed at his truck or by the first unit with a street number he found on the other side.
3) He claims that he was only walking east-west behind those buildings and that Martin first spoke to him at the intersection of that walkway and the one that runs south to where Martin was staying. He said the fight took place behind the first unit south of that "T" and that they went down quickly. Unfortunately for his defense it took place two units south of the "T", as did the shooting.
4) One witness reports seeing two people running/chasing each other and were 10 feet apart. Zimmerman never mentions any of this. Why?
Zimmerman wasn't looking for street signs or numbers and he wasn't headed back to his truck. He was continuing his pursuit south and ran right into Martin. He might not be found guilty but these holes/lies in his story will not help his case.
Also, much of his defense is based on his head supposedly being "bashed" into concrete. There is zero testimony or medical evidence that shows his head was "bashed" into anything.
And your total bias and lies have been proven in the crime section of this forum. Try again.
There absolutely are street signs in his gated community. He said he couldn't remember the name of the street he was one, despite it being the main road in and one of only three streets in his subdivision. (The community he knew pretty well as its unofficial watchman.) He said he left his truck looking for street numbers and street signs. He supposedly walked all the way though the back of the buildings because he knew there would be street numbers on the other side of them, which was his own Retreat View Circle.
A few problems here:
1) He was right in front of a street number when he left his truck. Several of them actually. They tend to face streets.
2) He said he made it all the way through to Retreat View Circle but somehow never bothered to get a street number. He was still on the phone and told the operator to have the police call him when they arrived which implied he was still on the move and had no intention of stopping. If he merely wanted to be found by the police who were 2 minutes away he could have stayed at his truck or by the first unit with a street number he found on the other side.
3) He claims that he was only walking east-west behind those buildings and that Martin first spoke to him at the intersection of that walkway and the one that runs south to where Martin was staying. He said the fight took place behind the first unit south of that "T" and that they went down quickly. Unfortunately for his defense it took place two units south of the "T", as did the shooting.
4) One witness reports seeing two people running/chasing each other and were 10 feet apart. Zimmerman never mentions any of this. Why?
Zimmerman wasn't looking for street signs or numbers and he wasn't headed back to his truck. He was continuing his pursuit south and ran right into Martin. He might not be found guilty but these holes/lies in his story will not help his case.
Also, much of his defense is based on his head supposedly being "bashed" into concrete. There is zero testimony or medical evidence that shows his head was "bashed" into anything.
Where do you come up with this crap?
The best witness they had was the girlfriend, and now she's admitted she lied. So the prosecutions got zip.
Right. Cops don't act alone. And they have uniforms and badges, which identify them to people.
Are you sure this is going to be televised?
I bet they offered him a plea deal, because this may prove embaressing to the prosecution, but innocent people don't plea.
And your total bias and lies have been proven in the crime section of this forum. Try again.
#1-3 are all statements made by Zimmerman, recorded on tape. #4 is the statement from a witness.
Just found another lie of his: for some reason he says his flashlight was never on because it didn't work. Wrong. It worked and a 911 caller and a cop both saw Zimmerman using it. Not a terribly big deal but it adds to Zimmerman's growing list of lies.
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Originally Posted by claudhopper
Where do you come up with this crap?
The best witness they had was the girlfriend, and now she's admitted she lied. So the prosecutions got zip.
Zimmerman confirms most of what she claims to have heard. If you don't believe her that Martin didn't jump out of the bushes and attack Zimmerman that's fine. The jury just has to believe Zimmerman when he said it.
I'd like to know what part of what I wrote is crap? He left an area full of street numbers and walked behind a row of buildings to supposedly look for street numbers. When he got to a new set of street numbers he never bothered getting one. The fight and the shooting then took place closer to Martin's townhouse than Zimmerman claims. Who knows, maybe he has a good reason for not telling the truth. Some say he's protecting his friend and neighbor who may have also been involved. Who knows.
In any case, Zimmerman has lied many times about what happened a minute before he killed a man. Martin's girlfriend lied about why she didn't go to a funeral.
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Well, if you've read every bit of the case file, then you already know whether or not there was a police report, or a transcript, or some other evidence that Zimmerman got out of his truck to look at the street signs to determine what street it was and why. Did he? Why was he looking at street signs, if he was doing that?
I'm sure that info would be in the discovery provided in the case file.
There are a series of audio recordings of police interviews with Zimmerman, here:
Why why why do expend so much time and energy on this case? Why is it such a focal point of your life? What outcome do you want and how will that make a difference in your life?
Do you not realize this is a diversion, for whatever the race baiters want to make of it? It's out of your hands, why not just go on about your business until this resolves itself with a verdict, that won't make a hill o beans diff to you anyway.
Anytime someone black demands fairness or justice, they are "race baiters".
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