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Old 03-07-2013, 05:15 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Three trillion dollars for wars that have made us LESS secure.

Way to go Bushie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Inside Iraq, the forces of Sunni-Shia sectarian conflict had been unleashed by the U.S. invasion.

That, in turn, was creating the conditions for a proxy war between the U.S. and Iran, similar to the growing proxy war between Israel and Iran inside Lebanon (where another destabilizing event, the U.S.-sanctioned Israeli invasion of 2006, followed in hand).

None of this has ever ended. Today, in fact, that proxy war has simply found a fresh host, Syria, with multiple powers using “humanitarian aid” to push and shove their Sunni and Shia avatars around.

Staggering neocon expectations, Iran emerged from the U.S. decade in Iraq economically more powerful, with sanctions-busting trade between the two neighbors now valued at some $5 billion a year and still growing.

In that decade, the U.S. also managed to remove one of Iran’s strategic counterbalances, Saddam Hussein, replacing him with a government run by Nouri al-Malaki, who had once found asylum in Tehran."


Mission Unaccomplished: Why the Invasion of Iraq Was the Single Worst Foreign Policy Decision in American History | Common Dreams

http://threetrilliondollarwar.org/




I dare to differ.

Iraq was the symptom. Of a long ago cause.




Meddling as we marched across north Africa and into the middle east.
We placed our guy, Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, as ruler of the oil rich, tribal nation.
Said, here is where Israel is going to be, instead of taking in all the refugees
Then later, the CIA assassinated the Egyptian ruler, because of his hatred of Israel.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Its like liberals are stuck in a time-warp. Completely oblivious to anything happening under the current regime (whether they all became deaf/dumb/blind early 2009 or just dont care....it doesnt matter) while non-stop yapping their traps about the previous admin.
I presume you weren't around during the Bush years when everything was blamed on Bill Clinton from hangnails to waxy yellow buildup every time anyone questioned whether W had a functioning brain or not...

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Old 03-07-2013, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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A letter I received just last month was signed.....

Your friend, General XXXX XXXX, from the New Free Iraq.

In other words, the Iraqis who understand how important the removal of Hussein was for the future of Iraq completely disagree with you.
Are you including the three million Iraqis who were completely displaced by the war and are still living in other countries and the quarter million civilians who were killed? They may have a different view...
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I don't see any difference from Iraq and the Clinton Wars in the Balkans.

Except that was somehow okay with liberals.

Liberals aren't anti-war as they claim. They just want the guy running it.
The only difference is aout three trillion dollars and a million soldiers who need long-term mental health care.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by KRAMERCAT View Post
Three trillion dollars for wars that have made us LESS secure.

Way to go Bushie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Inside Iraq, the forces of Sunni-Shia sectarian conflict had been unleashed by the U.S. invasion.

That, in turn, was creating the conditions for a proxy war between the U.S. and Iran, similar to the growing proxy war between Israel and Iran inside Lebanon (where another destabilizing event, the U.S.-sanctioned Israeli invasion of 2006, followed in hand).

None of this has ever ended. Today, in fact, that proxy war has simply found a fresh host, Syria, with multiple powers using “humanitarian aid” to push and shove their Sunni and Shia avatars around.

Staggering neocon expectations, Iran emerged from the U.S. decade in Iraq economically more powerful, with sanctions-busting trade between the two neighbors now valued at some $5 billion a year and still growing.

In that decade, the U.S. also managed to remove one of Iran’s strategic counterbalances, Saddam Hussein, replacing him with a government run by Nouri al-Malaki, who had once found asylum in Tehran."


Mission Unaccomplished: Why the Invasion of Iraq Was the Single Worst Foreign Policy Decision in American History | Common Dreams

http://threetrilliondollarwar.org/
Hindsight 20/20 is awesome isn't it.

We went to war with Saddam, he is dead, his sons are dead, Iraq is no longer gripped in the tyranny of that man and his party. That my friend, is mission accomplished.

Have you read the history of Iraq? Do you know how often the leadership changed hands, and the follow-on purges? Iraq has not had a one bloody coup d'état after another since the 1950s.

Iraq will take a few generations to sort itself out, until then it will be a little weaker and unstable, and it's neighbors like Iran will be a little stronger. What was the alternative, leave an entire people to suffer under a brutal tyranny?

Muammar Gaddafi was a bit of a tyrant also, but he kept the Ismlaists in check with an iron fist, now they are free. What will the repercussions of 0bama's assault on Libya and the death of Qaddafi be in the future? Both actions, taking out Saddam and Qaddafi will have repercussions, only time will tell if the world, and the people in those countries will be better off.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:38 PM
 
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No.
Clinton had federal surpluses.
GW Bush turned the surpluses into deficits (with supply side tax cuts, and a unneeded Iraq war)
Then Obama inherited GW Bush's deficits.

GW Bush's biggest tax cuts for billionaires kicked in while Obama was in office (Bush's tax cuts created huge deficits while Obama was in office.)
Obama is also forced to pay for Bush's Iraq war.

If (rep) GW Bush never changed Clinton's tax laws, and never attacked Iraq for nothing, America would have no major financial problems at this moment.

GW Bush handed Obama his deficits.
GW Bush wrote his tax cuts to happen while Obama was in office (creating huge deficits for Obama)
And GW Bush left Obama the bills from his Iraq war.

And now the republicans lie and say Obama's deficits are his fault.

Its actually some slick and sneaky politics done by the republicans (its impressive.) The only problem is this republican/conservative behavior is creating dangerous national debt for America.
In other words no objectivity at all. Or facts for that matter. Just mindless liberal talking points that are nearly verbatim to every other uninformed liberal missive put out since President Do No Wrong took office.

Thanks for saying what we all knew you'd say. We certainly can't say we were let down.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities
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Whether the war was well advised or ill advised, any gains under Bush were squandered by Obama in his failure to secure what was won before our troops left, a mistake he's repeating in Afghanistan.

But Obama's mistakes pale in comparison to Roosevelt's boneheaded decision to hand half of Europe to the Soviets after WW II.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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No.
Clinton had federal surpluses.
GW Bush turned the surpluses into deficits (with supply side tax cuts, and a unneeded Iraq war)
Then Obama inherited GW Bush's deficits.

GW Bush's biggest tax cuts for billionaires kicked in while Obama was in office (Bush's tax cuts created huge deficits while Obama was in office.)
Obama is also forced to pay for Bush's Iraq war.

If (rep) GW Bush never changed Clinton's tax laws, and never attacked Iraq for nothing, America would have no major financial problems at this moment.

GW Bush handed Obama his deficits.
GW Bush wrote his tax cuts to happen while Obama was in office (creating huge deficits for Obama)
And GW Bush left Obama the bills from his Iraq war.

And now the republicans lie and say Obama's deficits are his fault.

Its actually some slick and sneaky politics done by the republicans (its impressive.) The only problem is this republican/conservative behavior is creating dangerous national debt for America.
Wow, you really need to stop talking and read what you wrote.

At this point in Bush's presidency he had only added $2 trillion in new debt, 0bana has added $6 trillion.

You cannot seriously be trying to claim that most our 0bama debt is from "Bush's tax cuts for the rich." We only receive about $1 trillion in income taxes each year, and you think a 3% or 4% cut in income taxes to the rich resulted in anything remotely close to $6 trillion in lost revenue??????
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Whether the war was well advised or ill advised, any gains under Bush were squandered by Obama in his failure to secure what was won before our troops left, a mistake he's repeating in Afghanistan.

But Obama's mistakes pale in comparison to Roosevelt's boneheaded decision to hand half of Europe to the Soviets after WW II.
The libs applaud 0bama for getting the troops out of Iraq, but as you have alluded to, it was 0bama's failures that got us kicked out of Iraq. 0bama failed to renew the Status Of Forces Agreement (SOFA), which would have left our military unprotected, and forced to follow local Iraqi laws. My fitting analogy is this, 0bama failed to renew our rental agreement and at the end of the month, the landlord kicked us into the streets.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Whether the war was well advised or ill advised, any gains under Bush were squandered by Obama in his failure to secure what was won before our troops left, a mistake he's repeating in Afghanistan.

But Obama's mistakes pale in comparison to Roosevelt's boneheaded decision to hand half of Europe to the Soviets after WW II.
He didn't give it to them. They took it and their was nothing the great and mighty USA could have done about it. After 20 some million dead in the war the USSR was not in the mood to be dictated to be anyone. They also had an awesome military machine and were not intimated by the Americans one little bit.
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