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Old 03-24-2013, 08:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Helium is a tried n true method. When the authorities found out, they clamped down on rentals of helium tanks.


My wife is a florist. No license needed. Just call for them to bring two new tanks.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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My wife is a florist. No license needed. Just call for them to bring two new tanks.
Interesting, I thought they were harder to get these days.

This article is from 2007

Helium in an 'exit bag' new choice for suicide

Kwantlen criminologist Ogden said the 19 deaths recorded by the Coroner's Service under-represent the number of deaths in B.C. involving helium.
"This is just the tip of the iceberg," said Ogden, who has researched the assisted-death movement for many years.
The figures don't include cases where death is assisted by activists who remove all equipment or evidence so that the death is attributed to an underlying illness or undetermined causes, Ogden said.
"I have data provided to me by activists in the right-to-die movement between 1999 and 2002 on over 100 helium-related cases in North America that were unreported in any forensic literature."
Ogden said helium inhalation has become the preferred method among activists in the Final Exit Network, an underground U.S. group which helps people kill themselves.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=ce4139ae-d635-4030-ac92-a7b7d6fab09d
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:13 PM
 
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More intrusion on the part of gov't to save people from themselves. Will they be raiding stores that sell glue or spray paint? Of all the things kids do to get high, this seems pretty harmless to me - something else is the motivation for these raids imo. They can't even list one death from noz. All this for a misdemeanor?


Read more: [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/22/feds-raid-17-california-businesses-for-nitrous-oxide/#ixzz2ONQRMxPm"]Feds raid 17 California businesses for nitrous oxide | Fox News[/URL]


[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/feds-raid-17-calif-businesses-nitrous-oxide-001509842.html"]Feds raid 17 Calif. businesses for nitrous oxide[/URL]
It is far safer for government agents to do this sort of "enforcement masturbation" that go after real criminals for real offenses.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:38 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by claudhopper View Post
Interesting, I thought they were harder to get these days.

This article is from 2007

Helium in an 'exit bag' new choice for suicide

Kwantlen criminologist Ogden said the 19 deaths recorded by the Coroner's Service under-represent the number of deaths in B.C. involving helium.
"This is just the tip of the iceberg," said Ogden, who has researched the assisted-death movement for many years.
The figures don't include cases where death is assisted by activists who remove all equipment or evidence so that the death is attributed to an underlying illness or undetermined causes, Ogden said.
"I have data provided to me by activists in the right-to-die movement between 1999 and 2002 on over 100 helium-related cases in North America that were unreported in any forensic literature."
Ogden said helium inhalation has become the preferred method among activists in the Final Exit Network, an underground U.S. group which helps people kill themselves.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=ce4139ae-d635-4030-ac92-a7b7d6fab09d


Maybe in Canada or California, but not in Texas.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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Everyone has choices in life. Education works way better than restrictions.
Please, keep me safe from myself.
Um, with regards to older adults such as yourself. Great.

When it comes to the 13yo in the article you were responding to, not so much.

For younger people and those with mental limitations it's not unreasonable to offer them protections.

Otherwise you get all kinds of scum getting alzheimer patients to put them in their will, push drugs on young kids, take advantage of the mentally handicapped.

Hey, I know you are competant...consider others that aren't.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:29 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Um, with regards to older adults such as yourself. Great.

When it comes to the 13yo in the article you were responding to, not so much.

For younger people and those with mental limitations it's not unreasonable to offer them protections.

Otherwise you get all kinds of scum getting alzheimer patients to put them in their will, push drugs on young kids, take advantage of the mentally handicapped.

Hey, I know you are competant...consider others that aren't.


Yes, that is what a court of our peers is for. Not you to decide.
Intervention before habeas corpus is not liberty. It is tyranny.
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