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Well, in any agency, the primary costs are short and long-term salaries and benefits, so you can muddy the water as much as you want, but heads are going to roll. Moreover, they are usually middle class jobs, so they will have the maximum multiplier effect in the economy. In this case, negative.
Despite claims to the contrary, government jobs strengthen and stabilize local economies. Look at northern Virginia, and county seats or college town across the country. They have lower UE rates and more economic stability, for their size, than other places.
These people are no more important than the mechanic who gets laid off from a car dealership or the waitress who loses her job because the business closes.. These people are NOT something special.. Wake up, this is OUR economy....
These people are no more important than the mechanic who gets laid off from a car dealership or the waitress who loses her job because the business closes.. These people are NOT something special.. Wake up, this is OUR economy....
The difference is the government can make wise and timely choices. Tossing these people out in the street will not help us lower the UE rate or strengthen the economy.
04-07-2013, 03:39 PM
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Wow! What a bunch of vacuous antigovernment worker posts. Do you folks have a clue what you are talking about before you post?
Sequester has not kicked in yet, so stop pulling the 'Mission Accomplished" schtick. How could it not have some impact?
Do you honestly think cutting these positions will help the economy? Lay off the ideology and engage brain people.
I like to listen to my conservative buddies when they have a good idea or argument,but the "gubbermint bad, millionaire good, gubbermint workers are clueless layabouts" routine is completely braindead. None of those claims are true.
Try again.
That's all they've got. Braindead hatred for their fellow man. It's a lot easier to be outraged and label millions of people lazy, clueless, whatever than it is to actually think and come up with reasonable ideas to fix the country's problems.
Just the other day, we had a thread wondering why right wingers hate workers. They all came out in force to say they don't. Now, we have another thread in which they dump on government workers, fast food workers, janitors, etc.
The difference is the government can make wise and timely choices. Tossing these people out in the street will not help us lower the UE rate or strengthen the economy.
It doesn't strengthen our economy when the waitress or the mechanic loses their job either.. To them it is even more devistating than it will be to a government employee with a sizeable 401k or 403b.... I don't want anyone to lose their job, but government employees should not be any more immune than the general population.
That's all they've got. Braindead hatred for their fellow man. It's a lot easier to be outraged and label millions of people lazy, clueless, whatever than it is to actually think and come up with reasonable ideas to fix the country's problems.
Just the other day, we had a thread wondering why right wingers hate workers. They all came out in force to say they don't. Now, we have another thread in which they dump on government workers, fast food workers, janitors, etc.
And most of these folks are probably retired or on disability, with time to rant all day about all the supposed leeches and perverts in the world. Like my Dad, a retired teacher who was a Democrat all his working years, but became a right winger when he retired and started reading the Drudge Report all day, every day.
My wife is an executive level federal employee, and has already had her Sequester furlough days cut from 21 down to 14. So for 14 weeks, she's gotta take one unpaid day off. Fine with her. She needs the days off anyway. The furlough doesn't start until late May.
I'm a federal contractor, and we haven't been given any exact info as to our fates. I'm facing a pay cut for sure...with much worse to come if things don't change.
But most people I know don't seem to be too worried. I know I'm not. I don't care one way or another.
This is not fear mongering. It is just common sense. Will the earth stop spinning? No. Will it affect economic growth and unemployment? Almost certainly. It won't happen overnight, so this deal is not done.
I recall having the same attitude as you when I heard all the fear mongering after the housing crash in 2007. UE was still under 5%, and I wondered why all these businesses would be laying people off. I figured a bunch of fools just lost their shirts. Turned out I was wrong. Smart people are saying the same things now, and yet you are blowing it off.
I have a feeling time will tell on this one. And I have a feeling arithmetic will trump ideology.
Yes, almost as bad as the housing crash.
I have my tin hat on for when the planes start falling out of the sky.
The difference is the government can make wise and timely choices. Tossing these people out in the street will not help us lower the UE rate or strengthen the economy.
It doesn't strengthen our economy when the waitress or the mechanic loses their job either.. To them it is even more devistating than it will be to a government employee with a sizeable 401k or 403b.... I don't want anyone to lose their job, but government employees should not be any more immune than the general population.
Since when have I said that? I was a big fan of the auto bail out, not because those industries were especially deserving, but because they were completely nuked by the meltdown and bubble squeeze. We tried to help business owners with tax cuts and bailouts. Although record profits have occurred, they have still been outsourcing. That is all we can do. Nonetheless, the private sector IS rebounding. The public sector is what is still bleeding jobs. The sequester will just add to that. It is pure ideological foolishness.
I have my tin hat on for when the planes start falling out of the sky.
You know what I mean. Whatever, let's wait and see.
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