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Old 04-13-2013, 11:03 PM
 
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'Fundamental culture change' on abortion: Conservatives make gains on restrictions - U.S. News


“The middle ground is exactly where most people are,” she said in an interview. “They want to see clinic regulation. They want to see parental notification. They don’t like late-term abortions.”


I think a lot of liberals are changing also. We have gone too far.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:15 PM
 
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I agree. I am against late-term abortions sans danger to the mother, as are most liberals. I also agree that clinic regulation is incredibly important in cases of abortion, which is why pro-choicers are so adamant that it must be legal; abortion can only be regulated if it's legal.

As far as parental notification, we'll have to disagree. I'd prefer a 16-year-old girl get a safe abortion preformed by a doctor, rather than starve themselves to try and force themselves to abort, get a "back ally" abortion, or hide their pregnancy only to throw their baby in a dumpster after birth to avoid telling their parents. Pregnancy is voluntary even without the option of a doctor monitored/preformed abortion.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:22 PM
 
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I agree. I am against late-term abortions sans danger to the mother, as are most liberals. I also agree that clinic regulation is incredibly important in cases of abortion, which is why pro-choicers are so adamant that it must be legal; abortion can only be regulated if it's legal.

As far as parental notification, we'll have to disagree. I'd prefer a 16-year-old girl get a safe abortion preformed by a doctor, rather than starve themselves to try and force themselves to abort, get a "back ally" abortion, or hide their pregnancy only to throw their baby in a dumpster after birth to avoid telling their parents. Pregnancy is voluntary even without the option of a doctor monitored/preformed abortion.
And the girl goes home and starts to have problems, either physical or emotional? Than what are the parents to do? They are left to support their daughter, not the person who took the girl to get an abortion in the first place. It would be different if that person would take over the responsibility for the girl but I don't think that would ever happen.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:33 PM
 
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I agree. I am against late-term abortions sans danger to the mother, as are most liberals. I also agree that clinic regulation is incredibly important in cases of abortion, which is why pro-choicers are so adamant that it must be legal; abortion can only be regulated if it's legal.

As far as parental notification, we'll have to disagree. I'd prefer a 16-year-old girl get a safe abortion preformed by a doctor, rather than starve themselves to try and force themselves to abort, get a "back ally" abortion, or hide their pregnancy only to throw their baby in a dumpster after birth to avoid telling their parents. Pregnancy is voluntary even without the option of a doctor monitored/preformed abortion.
My problem is that girls as young as 11 and 12 can get abortions without parental permission. Imagine that if you are a parent - your 12-year old cannot take aspirin in school or go on a field trip a mile away without a parent's permission, yet she can have potentially life-threatening surgery. I have a huge problem with that.

I agree with you about the reasons abortion should remain legal and regulated. Conservatives should work on public opinion and cultural change, which is already underway now. It was much easier to think of that 9-week old fetus as just tissue when we couldn't see it or feel it. But with sonograms, we can see that a 9-week old fetus is definitely alive and moving around in the womb, even if it is tiny and non-viable outside the womb.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:03 PM
 
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My problem is that girls as young as 11 and 12 can get abortions without parental permission. Imagine that if you are a parent - your 12-year old cannot take aspirin in school or go on a field trip a mile away without a parent's permission, yet she can have potentially life-threatening surgery. I have a huge problem with that.

I agree with you about the reasons abortion should remain legal and regulated. Conservatives should work on public opinion and cultural change, which is already underway now. It was much easier to think of that 9-week old fetus as just tissue when we couldn't see it or feel it. But with sonograms, we can see that a 9-week old fetus is definitely alive and moving around in the womb, even if it is tiny and non-viable outside the womb.

Yes it's ironic that and org called Planned Parenthood would oppose every measure to inform parents that their young daughter is planning on having an abortion. They truly are a vile organization.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:04 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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And the girl goes home and starts to have problems, either physical or emotional? Than what are the parents to do? They are left to support their daughter, not the person who took the girl to get an abortion in the first place. It would be different if that person would take over the responsibility for the girl but I don't think that would ever happen.

Planned Parenthood already got their money from that girl. Who cares what happens to her afterward.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:10 PM
 
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My problem is that girls as young as 11 and 12 can get abortions without parental permission. Imagine that if you are a parent - your 12-year old cannot take aspirin in school or go on a field trip a mile away without a parent's permission, yet she can have potentially life-threatening surgery. I have a huge problem with that.

I agree with you about the reasons abortion should remain legal and regulated. Conservatives should work on public opinion and cultural change, which is already underway now. It was much easier to think of that 9-week old fetus as just tissue when we couldn't see it or feel it. But with sonograms, we can see that a 9-week old fetus is definitely alive and moving around in the womb, even if it is tiny and non-viable outside the womb.
Really, where is that?
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:10 PM
 
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Planned Parenthood already got their money from that girl. Who cares what happens to her afterward.
Certainly not conservatives who would prefer that that girl take her chances and go and get a back-alley abortion instead.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:13 PM
 
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Yes it's ironic that and org called Planned Parenthood would oppose every measure to inform parents that their young daughter is planning on having an abortion. They truly are a vile organization.



Actually, what is truly vile is what happened to women before abortion was legal.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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'Fundamental culture change' on abortion: Conservatives make gains on restrictions - U.S. News


“The middle ground is exactly where most people are,” she said in an interview. “They want to see clinic regulation. They want to see parental notification. They don’t like late-term abortions.”


I think a lot of liberals are changing also. We have gone too far.
Seems reasonable to me.

[i never liked late-term abortions]
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