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As for the OP - I see no connection with conspiracy-minded people and libertarians. Don't connect secessionists or people with radical anti-government beliefs and mainstream libertarians.
"Conspiracy-minded people" are critical thinkers.
Critical thinkers are always held in high disteem.
Libertarians have an insecurity complex about this.
5 years in the military. 15 working for local and federal government. These experiences turned me from a Boston-suburb super-Liberal to a Libertarian. The Master's degree and a lifetime of researching politics, economics and sociology made me an unshakeable Libertarian. I don't believe in UFOs or the supernatural or Elvis faking his death, but when the cry of "conspiracy theory" goes up, I don't automatically believe that the claims being made MUST be wrong. I no longer have the ability to think "Government wouldn't do that!" I saw too many things that, had they been discovered, would have been swept under the rug with the ever-useful charge of "Conspiracy Theory."
Instead of following the traditional Liberal way of political debate (slander and name-calling), you might want to research what Libertarians actually want (to stop the endless wars and policing the world, end the counter-productive $1 trillion dollar "War on Drugs," bring government back to sane levels of power and intrusion by repealing the income tax (which hits only workers and was specifically prohibited in the Constitution), stop running up credit cards that our grandchildren cannot possibly pay, etc.).
There is absolutely nothing in Libertarian philosophy that even mentions believing in conspiracy theories. It seems that to liberals who worship Big Government as a religion, any group who wants limited government and a return to economic freedom and prosperity must be crazy--in other words, people who believe crazy things (conspiracy theorists). Frankly, had I been told at the age of 20 that our government would, in my lifetime, go from wanting to blow up the world to protect us from communism, to embracing socialist ideals and massive government dependency while orchestrating the destruction of the Middle Class and funneling all wealth to the ultra-rich, I'd have called that a crazy conspiracy theory. But here we are.
Shouldn't it be obvious to even Liberals, that there is no better way that those with infinite power and money could cover up the exposure of illegal/unethical things they do? All they have to do is cry "Conspiracy Theory" (or "Racist!") and any information that comes to light will be totally ignored. The strongest evidence means nothing once the label has been placed.
well said.
This is also why jesse ventura now has a trash 'reality ' disinfo show.
To demonize people who dont follow the herd and suck up cnn and anderson coopers garbage.
Controlled disinformation. Ventura had a career a navy Seal, I wonder who's payroll he's now on (rhetorical question).
There's also a reason the lamestream is not discussing Ellen Mariani's recently dismissed supreme court case filed in Pa. against the US govt re:911 and her husband who was killed.
Interesting. I don't meet any of those criteria. In fact I was less into conspiracies when I was drinking and smoking regularly. There has to come a point in someone's life when they just can't buy into the bull**** anymore. While I agree that not everything is a conspiracy (Newtown, Aurora, and Giffords), there is enough evidence that information is being withheld from tragedies such as JFK, 9/11, Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, and many other events. I believe that people who question the "official narrative" are more compassionate than the ones who blindly accept it as they show a drive in wanting to find out the truth. However, in today's society, questions are no longer accepted. If you don't believe the governmental account you are made out to be an enemy.
You are not alone in being successful AND not gullible; those who are not gullible tend to be successful. My spouse and I also fit none of the flaws the poster listed, have always worked, and are a fountain of tax wealth for every level of government (while never having received a penny from any government program despite many years of very low pay).
I actually WORKED for government for 15 years, at a high enough level to be friendly with those much more powerful. Powerful government officials (just like the ultra-rich who control them) uniformly know that laws and ethics are for the "little people," and none of them have the slightest conscience or moral code. When's the last time a high-level Washington politician was sent to jail? Even small scandals are not reported by the media, let alone punished in any way. The most manipulative and power-mad people in the nation fight for positions of power in government, and only the most manipulative, underhanded, no-holds-barred types will get those powerful positions. How liberals can think these people are trustworthy is beyond me.
Liberalism today, as you say, is not open to discussion and analysis. It is more a religion than anything else. Religious people cannot be swayed from their beliefs by logic or information--just like liberals. It is locked off in the mind, protected from any analysis. I was brought up in the Catholic religion, and I remember clearly the times in grade school I learned things that countered religious doctrine. My mind shouted "blasphemy!" and I made myself stop thinking about the new information. This defense mechanism is exactly what liberals are doing when they dismiss news and evidence of gross misconduct by their "priests" (government officials) by simply calling "Conspiracy Theory" and ignoring the evidence.
Unfortunately, so many allow a simple political-spin label to shut off their minds. Pretty much no reform can happen when so many citizens religiously believe that none of the 4,356,178 government employees could possibly do anything wrong.
You are not alone in being successful AND not gullible; those who are not gullible tend to be successful. My spouse and I also fit none of the flaws the poster listed, have always worked, and are a fountain of tax wealth for every level of government (while never having received a penny from any government program despite many years of very low pay).
I'm not rich, but I'm certainly not gullible.
I actually WORKED for government for 15 years, at a high enough level to be friendly with those much more powerful. Powerful government officials (just like the ultra-rich who control them) uniformly know that laws and ethics are for the "little people," and none of them have the slightest conscience or moral code. When's the last time a high-level Washington politician was sent to jail? Even small scandals are not reported by the media, let alone punished in any way. The most manipulative and power-mad people in the nation fight for positions of power in government, and only the most manipulative, underhanded, no-holds-barred types will get those powerful positions. How liberals can think these people are trustworthy is beyond me.
Your statement here based on your past experience is EXACTLY why I don't dismiss so-called "conspiracy theories" or the other side of the story so to speak. Politics on both sides of the aisle has become about blind partisanship! Party first, and to HELL with the average American! The "above the law, all for me none for thee" mantra in which you've alluded to here needs to once and for all be flushed! It's time for people to wake up and realize there ARE other options to vote for other than the D's or the R's!
Liberalism today, as you say, is not open to discussion and analysis. It is more a religion than anything else. Religious people cannot be swayed from their beliefs by logic or information--just like liberals. It is locked off in the mind, protected from any analysis. I was brought up in the Catholic religion, and I remember clearly the times in grade school I learned things that countered religious doctrine. My mind shouted "blasphemy!" and I made myself stop thinking about the new information. This defense mechanism is exactly what liberals are doing when they dismiss news and evidence of gross misconduct by their "priests" (government officials) by simply calling "Conspiracy Theory" and ignoring the evidence.
I consider myself somewhat religious, as I believe in a higher power, and the message that Christ conveyed (so I guess that makes me a Christian), and while baptized Catholic, I certainly don't drink the kool aide! But yes, to the left government does appear to be their "God."
Unfortunately, so many allow a simple political-spin label to shut off their minds. Pretty much no reform can happen when so many citizens religiously believe that none of the 4,356,178 government employees could possibly do anything wrong.
When you hear about politicians such as the former New Orleans Mayor getting fingered for corruption, and here in Cleveland with 2 figure heads Jimmy Dimora, and Frank Russo recently convicted of money laundering, bribery ect... to think that folks in power can do no wrong.... well you may as well just bury your head in the sand.
Interesting. I don't meet any of those criteria. In fact I was less into conspiracies when I was drinking and smoking regularly. There has to come a point in someone's life when they just can't buy into the bull**** anymore. While I agree that not everything is a conspiracy (Newtown, Aurora, and Giffords), there is enough evidence that information is being withheld from tragedies such as JFK, 9/11, Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, and many other events. I believe that people who question the "official narrative" are more compassionate than the ones who blindly accept it as they show a drive in wanting to find out the truth. However, in today's society, questions are no longer accepted. If you don't believe the governmental account you are made out to be an enemy.
I guess another trait of the people Im talking about, is that they don't really know the official narrative either. They don't really question as that would require hard work. Your right though, not all conspiracy types fit that profile i described. I know an architect who doesn't accept the moon landings were real, he still makes the mistake of not knowing enough about the official narrative and is less interested in science than I would have thought. How can you have a serious discussion with someone who thinks there was only a single moon mission?, or that it would be impossible for the Lunar Lander to have lifted off the moon? These are questions that could be asked and answered regardless of whether you believe it was real or not.
Also witnesses who were participating reported they were told by officials to not be alarmed by the presence of bomb squad officers and dogs as it was only a drill:
1.) They knew it was (possibly?) going to happen and decided to not cancel the event because it's definitely a good money maker for Boston.
2.) It's a false flag event.
Either way, it's definitely no random, freak incident.
There's the evidence, now let's see if anyone returns to the thread to swallow it.
You conveniently left out option 3
3.) Neither 1 or 2. In reality they had nothing to do with each other and had no prior knowledge of the bombs.
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Most of the people I've employed over the years are conspiracy freaks (it goes with the job). Typical traits include too much booze and pot, living in a tin shed or caravan (trailer) and owning a $100 car -or part shares in a $100 car. Dog eared Nexus magazines or pot covered Uncensored mags are de rigueur
Knowledge of the "theories" is usually piecemeal and theories are often intertwined with other theories although not intentionally. It can be tiring getting educated by these types but on the plus side, there's always someone to have a few drinks with after work.
They also often use Youtube video viewing as a substitute for a college education. It must be true, because some wacko on youtube said it was, even when what they assert isn't scientifically sound or based in reality.
Thanks for the laugh of the day. Just keep on being a good little sheep and believe the MSM. I use to but it did not take very much critical thinking to realize they lie most of the time. I hope you see that also someday.
Information being witheld from the public isnt 'conspiracy'. Its a miscarriage of information and distortion that anyone thinking critically would question.
Anyone who blindly accepts the trash proferred by todays media deserves what they get, a nation of driveling servants talking about reality tv while the economy and nation spirals, and more of your civil rights disappear, just like when the Patriot Act and PNAC were put into gear.
3.) Neither 1 or 2. In reality they had nothing to do with each other and had no prior knowledge of the bombs.
Convenient is having a drill for the exact same scenario at the exact same time it was happening. They clearly expected something or else there would have been no reason to have an exercise!
Don't you at least find it somewhat weird that they would have a bomb squad drill during such a large event? Why not stage it at a different time to avoid panic?
EDIT: They wouldn't have a political assassination drill during a campaign event. It just doesn't make sense.
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