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Old 05-06-2013, 09:12 AM
 
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Same way in the states. Got the black side of town, the white side of town and now, the mexican side of town. Of course there's people of all ethnic groups in all of these areas but they're still predominantly one racial group with a sprinkle of other groups in there.

I dunno people generally want to live amongst people similar to themselves..I guess it's human nature.
I remember when Los Angeles could easily be put into those areas:

White on the West Side.
Hispanic in East L.A.
Black in the South.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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The question is this. Why does segregation occur in the first place? Last time I checked, when Jamaicans started immigrating to the UK in the 50s, alot of White English people didn't want them there, period. This is ironic consider that White English people had gone to the West Indies, Africa, and India.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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LOL Trying to throw it off on the right when your own plan fails I see.

Typical.
Nope ... a simple historical fact. Unlimited Commonwealth immigration was supported by successive Conservative governments between 1951 and 1963. The first real controls happened in 1966 under the Labour government of Harold Wilson.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:21 AM
 
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The question is this. Why does segregation occur in the first place? Last time I checked, when Jamaicans started immigrating to the UK in the 50s, alot of White English people didn't want them there, period. This is ironic consider that White English people had gone to the West Indies, Africa, and India.
What people need to understand is that the West Indians and Asians who immigrated to the UK had an absolute right to do so as Commonwealth citizens. Technically, it was no different to people from Oklahoma moving to California. At the time, there was a view that the Commonwealth could replace the Empire as a power block in its own right.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:55 AM
 
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The question is this. Why does segregation occur in the first place? Last time I checked, when Jamaicans started immigrating to the UK in the 50s, alot of White English people didn't want them there, period. This is ironic consider that White English people had gone to the West Indies, Africa, and India.
A lot of it has to do with language and cultural barriers and many times a different set of values. I think it has little to do with race but all of the above.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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Multiculturalism works just fine. What does not work is poverty and lack of opportunity. Assimilation occurs when the immigrant group is given and takes the chance to raise their standard of living to middle class levels. But bigoted conservatives in the US and other countries systematically deny that opportunity to people based on color and religion and thereby guarantee never-ending poverty and the crime and social discord it breeds.
Segregation is fine?
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:17 AM
 
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Segregation is fine?
Segregation is a fact of life. Those who can afford to live on the upper east side of NYC are segregated by virtue of their income. Those who have no choice but to live in Brownsville are segregated by their lack of income.
Artists often choose to live in areas populated with other artists. People with kids choose to live in areas populated by families with kids.

To the extent that people can choose to live where they want to live, segregation is fine.

It is only when someone who has the ways and means to live where they want and is denied that opportunity by outside forces that segregation is a problem.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:17 AM
 
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A lot of it has to do with language and cultural barriers and many times a different set of values. I think it has little to do with race but all of the above.
Jamaicans speak English. English is the official language of Jamaica. If race had nothing to do with it, then why were so many racial slurs used to describe Jamaicans? Why were there saying slogans like "a White Britain"?
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:18 AM
 
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What people need to understand is that the West Indians and Asians who immigrated to the UK had an absolute right to do so as Commonwealth citizens. Technically, it was no different to people from Oklahoma moving to California. At the time, there was a view that the Commonwealth could replace the Empire as a power block in its own right.
I didn't know the Commonwealth worked like that. It makes good sense now that I think about it.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:23 AM
 
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Segregation is fine?
No; he said multiculturalism was fine. The links purporting to identify "multiculturalism" irrevocably with "segregation" aren't irrefutably linear.

The statement that "multiculturalism" never works cannot be made as "never" as a finite time hasn't been determined yet, has it?

How would anyone determine if multiculturalism is working somewhere? What societal trends would you be able to attribute solely to multiculturalism and not some other influencing factors, either pro or con?
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