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Old 05-07-2013, 09:23 PM
 
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How many of those babies are born crack-addicted?

How many are born to unwed, unemployed mothers who decided to bring babies into the world despite being too poor to afford any kind of medical care, who go to the emergency room (for free) when labor starts but never visit a doctor beforehand?

Since you brought up the subject, and are so concerned, I'm sure you looked up these numbers.

What are they?
True -- the USA is the most drug addicted nation on the planet, plus our immigration policies favor the very impoverished with high very young teen pregnancy rates.
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Old 05-08-2013, 03:35 AM
 
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Did you read the article?

The biggest driver is pre-mature births to teen moms of color that tend to not be taking care of the baby during pregnancy by smoking and other bad substances and tending to be poor and uneducated.

So, what do you suggest?

Sounds like we push for increased birth control and abortion availability in poor neighborhoods.

Boy, that's going to go over like a lead balloon politically.
Hehe, so the solution to so many deaths at birth is to kill them before they are born.
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Old 05-08-2013, 03:51 AM
 
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If one has to travel 20, 30, 50+ miles to receive the care, is it really free?
If one has to travel 20, 30, 50+ miles to receive the care when they have fully paid insurance policy who's fault is that?
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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If one has to travel 20, 30, 50+ miles to receive the care when they have fully paid insurance policy who's fault is that?
I don't understand the question.
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:25 AM
 
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Who cares when we have the strongest military in the history of humanity?
Good point. What the heck was I thinking?
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:26 AM
 
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Of course, that would be an intrinsic part of solving the problem, but before that happens we have to admit there is a problem.
The Ratio = Dead Babies / Babies Born

A lot of countries solve the problem using the same technique this school administrator used to fix:

Average Test Score = Total Test Scores / Total Students

So...you pressure the low scorers to drop out of school or re-label them into special education like has happened around the country. See how much better their system is now! Our scores are up!

That's the problem with high-end medical care, my co-worker had a longshot pregnancy that would have been jettisoned in pretty much any other country. Kid is doing fine and is in gradeschool now. I guess since that hurts "the ratios" though taking those kinds of chances.

We could also really improve our life expectancy if we just start aborting kids with downs and taking no special actions for kids born with major birth defects. Genetic womb testing would also allow us to get rid of kids that would otherwise be born with various other issues.
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:32 AM
 
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Hehe, so the solution to so many deaths at birth is to kill them before they are born.
That is the approach a number of countries use, hence why they have better "ratios".

It's not my solution but it is something that you'd want to normalize any comparisons for.

Many countries can't or won't even TRY to bring certain problem pregnancies to term.

You can't grasp that?

Tell you what, let's see which baseball batter is better.

Batter A faces highschool pitchers (aka routine pregnancies)

Batter B faces professional pitchers.

My neighbor in Chicago ONLY worked with problem pregnancies, you can dang well bet their survival rate was worse than regular OB's...even though they were considered one of the best in the business.
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:34 AM
 
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I'm sure poverty has a lot to do with it --- because in spite of plentiful methods of contraception, in many parts of the USA, it's those who least can afford to have babies that are having most of them. More babies are being born into welfare households than to working taxpaying families in many parts of the USA. More single women use birth to access the welfare handouts so they never have to work for a living.

Compare the infancy death rates between those who choose to live the welfare life versus those who work and provide for their children.
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Old 05-08-2013, 07:46 AM
 
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This is a misleading statistic due to how the US calculates live births compared to other countries.

Any child born showing signs of life in the US is considered a live birth, while in many other countries a child born under a certain weight or under a certain length is not calculated as a live birth. Some countries consider any newborn who dies in the first 24 hours to be stillborn. This puts the US at a serious disadvantage simply because we count everything, while many other countries do not count infant deaths based on certain criteria.

80% of the world's babies born under 400g and have survived have been in the US. We have amazing care for newborns here.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:06 AM
 
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And oh by the way, many countries don't report all infant deaths like the US does.
This.

A lot of countries have much higher standards as to what is considered a newborn baby. For example a lot of countries consider any premature babies that die as miscarriages and not as an infant death, so it is not just as simple as "OMGZ ppl say Amerikkka is soooo great but look at the dead babies if it had healthCARE lke civil countries with great huperson rights lke Cuba then this wont happen, but the greedy 1%ers keep it from us. USA! USA! USA!"
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