Is It Too Late To Save Detroit---Not If Liberals Democrats Are In Charge (generations, war)
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So basically, color had absolutely nothing to do with it despite some trying to paint it that way.
But of course it does. Whites continue to maintain some level of prejudice against blacks. And many fear being a minority even if they do not have a prejudice against blacks.
And others simply don't wish to live in an area with majority poor.
That means most of the US population will not be enthusiastic about schemes to rebuild Detroit. Makes recovery by rebuilding very unlikely.
But of course it does. Whites continue to maintain some level of prejudice against blacks. And many fear being a minority even if they do not have a prejudice against blacks.
And others simply don't wish to live in an area with majority poor.
Which would explain why people also left poor Appalachian areas.
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That means most of the US population will not be enthusiastic about schemes to rebuild Detroit. Makes recovery by rebuilding very unlikely.
Of course they won't. It's not up to the people of Flagstaff Arizona to rebuild Detroit. Detroit needs to decide that they will attract places like Honda as opposed to not even being in the discussion.
Which would explain why people also left poor Appalachian areas.
Of course they won't. It's not up to the people of Flagstaff Arizona to rebuild Detroit. Detroit needs to decide that they will attract places like Honda as opposed to not even being in the discussion.
And that is of course never going to happen. If you want prejudice against blacks try the Japanese as well as the standard dislike for rust belt cities on their part.
And that is pretty much my point. Detroit is not going to self generate a recovery. There is simply no workable method for it to occur.
Therefore my suggestion that the proper way out is to dissolve the city into Wayne county or perhaps even Wayne and the other adjacent counties. You end up with a governable entity. Let it figure out how to revitalize its core.
And that is of course never going to happen. If you want prejudice against blacks try the Japanese as well as the standard dislike for rust belt cities on their part.
There seems to be a boogeyman around every corner in your world.
There seems to be a boogeyman around every corner in your world.
Twenty years of dealing with the Japanese including long periods in Japan and Japanese on my staff.
You don't believe the Japanese are prejudiced against blacks (not that they are fonds of whites)? You don't believe they have a dislike for rust belt cities?
Last edited by CaseyB; 08-19-2013 at 04:57 PM..
Reason: Rude
Originally Posted by Marv101
Corruption in government starting with Mayor Coleman Young 40+ years ago gets plenty of the blame, as well as the 1967 riots which drove whites into the suburbs in droves, which really walloped the city's tax base.
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Originally Posted by lvoc
The white exodus started in 1950 and continued smoothly into the 2000s. There was no significant change in 1967.
You need another theory.
Could be that Marv101 has read this thread - I posted this back on page 105 of the thread. The 1967 Riots were a big deal .. don't pretend they were not, even Coleman Young didn't try to pretend they did escalate the exodus from Detroit when he wrote his book.
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Coleman Young, Detroit's first black mayor, wrote in 1994:
The heaviest casualty, however, was the city. Detroit's losses went a hell of a lot deeper than the immediate toll of lives and buildings. The riot put Detroit on the fast track to economic desolation, mugging the city and making off with incalculable value in jobs, earnings taxes, corporate taxes, retail dollars, sales taxes, mortgages, interest, property taxes, development dollars, investment dollars, tourism dollars, and plain damn money. The money was carried out in the pockets of the businesses and the white people who fled as fast as they could. The white exodus from Detroit had been prodigiously steady prior to the riot, totally twenty-two thousand in 1966, but afterwards it was frantic. In 1967, with less than half the year remaining after the summer explosion—the outward population migration reached sixty-seven thousand. In 1968 the figure hit eighty-thousand, followed by forty-six thousand in 1969.
This is what 'significant change' looks like.
1966 - 22,000
1967 (from August until December) - 67,000
1968 - 80,000
1969 - 46,000
Read about the 1967 Riot ..... it was serious and horrific. A lot of people were scared, not just white people - it wasn't just the whites that started leaving Detroit, blacks left also.
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One of the criticisms of the New Detroit committee, an organization founded by Henry Ford II, J.L. Hudson, and Max Fisher while the embers were still cooling, was that it gave credibility to radical black organizations in a misguided attempt to listen to the concerns of the "inner-city Negro" and "the rioters". Moderate black leadership like Arthur L. Johnson were weakened and intimidated by the new credibility the riot gave to black radicals, some of which favored "a black republic carved out of five southern states" and supported "breaking into gun shops to seize weapons." The Kerner Commission deputy director of field operations in Detroit reported that the most militant organizers in the 12th Street area did not consider it immoral to kill whites.
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Damages
Over the period of five days, forty-three people died, of whom 33 were black and ten white. The other damages were calculated as follows:
Injuries
467 injured: 182 civilians, 167 Detroit police officers, 83 Detroit firefighters, 17 National Guard troops, 16 State Police officers, 3 U.S. Army soldiers.
Arrests
7,231 arrested: 6,528 adults, 703 juveniles; the youngest, 4, the oldest, 82. Half of those arrested had no criminal record.
Of those arrested, 64% were accused of looting and 14% were charged with curfew violations.
Economic damage
2,509 stores looted or burned, 388 families rendered homeless or displaced and 412 buildings burned or damaged enough to be demolished. Dollar losses from arson and looting ranged from $40 million to $80 million.
Some of you youngsters may think those were really "cool" times - the late 1960's, the early 70's - Summer of Love, the Civil Rights Marches, the anti war protests, the Riots, the Black Panthers and the anarchy of the Weather Underground ----- they weren't "cool", they were dangerous and they were serious. Some of it was about VERY serious issues and we did some really good things, but it's easy for things to get out of control and there are a lot of unintended consequences that occur. You didn't live it, I did - I can tell you for sure that I don't want to go back to any of it. We learn from history, we shouldn't choose to wallow in it and stay stuck in it, like the slime it was.
Which would explain why people also left poor Appalachian areas.
Of course they won't. It's not up to the people of Flagstaff Arizona to rebuild Detroit. Detroit needs to decide that they will attract places like Honda as opposed to not even being in the discussion.
Gentrification will occur in Detroit as it's occurred elsewhere in other cities where white flight occurred.
Tacoma, Wa comes to mind.
Detroit WILL recover. It has tons of open space that will be turned into parks that will enhance the quality of life for residents, and business parks that will attract jobs.
In fact, it's ALREADY started: Detroit is now one of the hottest real estate markets in the country.
Ken
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