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Old 05-23-2013, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Just more attempts at personal insults while ignoring the FACT that the company didn't make buses, but instead manufactures personal automobiles.
Grow some skin. You cry about being insulted with every post you make, and so far no one has tossed even one insult at you.

I think the profit from the bail out loans is about $23 billion. Some money is lost, and some are paid back with interest, and it the balance is positive, there should be nothing to cry about.

 
Old 05-23-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Not sure what your point is. Ford's employees were, as you say, paid twice the average rate and could, at the peak, buy a Model T on about 4 month's income. For a current factory floor worker in the auto industry, we're looking at $30 per hour or so. But of course, Ford's wages were exceptional - twice the going rate. That would put us in the $115K/yr range, so - about 6 months income and change.

Of course, we don't have many visionaries on the Ford scale around these days.
Since $250 000 is considered middle class, it means a middle class American can buy a Tesla with three months salary. No too bad.
 
Old 05-23-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Since $250 000 is considered middle class, it means a middle class American can buy a Tesla with three months salary. No too bad.
That is a lie. 250K is in the 97th percentile, most Americans make under 100K where ou hit the 79th percentile. (source: Wikipedia: Household Income in the United States"][/url].)

 
Old 05-23-2013, 02:27 PM
 
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Grow some skin. You cry about being insulted with every post you make, and so far no one has tossed even one insult at you.

I think the profit from the bail out loans is about $23 billion. Some money is lost, and some are paid back with interest, and it the balance is positive, there should be nothing to cry about.
Some of you liberals can't carry on a discussion without personal insults. But, I've learned to live with the liberal "big-mouth-no-fact" scenario. One might seriously doubt your intellectual ability to "insult" anyone,...but you are childish enough to attempt anyway. Grow a brain.

You "think"?? That's novel. Is that something new? Since when is "I think" a basis for intelligent conversation. There's a link with examples of how much the Obama administration has cost the taxpayer,...and that's without prior administrations making the same stupid decision that should have been made in the marketplace.

It's strange to see you Ron Paul losers tout the federal government as a banking institution. 'Ol loser Paul would be proud of you.
 
Old 05-23-2013, 02:28 PM
 
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Default Tesla repays federal loan nearly 10 years early

This is a direct attack on the very bank that extended the company a helping hand.
 
Old 05-23-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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That is a lie. 250K is in the 97th percentile, most Americans make under 100K where ou hit the 79th percentile. (source: Wikipedia: Household Income in the United States"][/url].)
Some people throw out figures which they know are lies just to try to prove a point. Fact is, only the upper middle class make close to $100,000 a year, which is 40% of what was claimed by the OP. Building a premise on a lie just makes one a bigger liar.

Thanks for the chart.

Middle Class Salary - Average Middle Class Income

With the average mean income just over $55,000 per year, it's doubtful that the average family could afford a Tesla. But, the company using taxpayer money doesn't seem to mind that the average family cannot afford their ride, ...even after using taxpayer money to save their company.
 
Old 05-23-2013, 03:06 PM
 
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Grow some skin. You cry about being insulted with every post you make, and so far no one has tossed even one insult at you.

I think the profit from the bail out loans is about $23 billion. Some money is lost, and some are paid back with interest, and it the balance is positive, there should be nothing to cry about.
What happened to those grants you were whining about just a few postings ago?
 
Old 05-23-2013, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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That is a lie. 250K is in the 97th percentile, most Americans make under 100K where ou hit the 79th percentile. (source: Wikipedia: Household Income in the United States"][/url].)
The only reason I bring this up, is because the very same people who argue you'd have to be "very rich" to buy Tesla, have in the past argued that $250 000 is only middle class, and therefore a tax increase for the $250K and up is a tax increase for the MIDDLE CLASS. So, I am asking why you have to be VERY RICH to by a $60K car when the $250K earning middle class American could easily buy such car every year if they wanted to
 
Old 05-23-2013, 03:37 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Some of you liberals can't carry on a discussion without personal insults. But, I've learned to live with the liberal "big-mouth-no-fact" scenario. One might seriously doubt your intellectual ability to "insult" anyone,...but you are childish enough to attempt anyway. Grow a brain.

You "think"?? That's novel. Is that something new? Since when is "I think" a basis for intelligent conversation. There's a link with examples of how much the Obama administration has cost the taxpayer,...and that's without prior administrations making the same stupid decision that should have been made in the marketplace.

It's strange to see you Ron Paul losers tout the federal government as a banking institution. 'Ol loser Paul would be proud of you.
you are doing the exact same thing you are accusing others of doing. name calling and being devoid of proof to back up your own claim.
 
Old 05-23-2013, 03:39 PM
 
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Since $250 000 is considered middle class, it means a middle class American can buy a Tesla with three months salary. No too bad.
I see what you did there...
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