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All you want to do is fuel this thing with garble. The facts are what they are. And to be honest they should pic a jury from another country...we all know what would happen...so what does that tell..?
Garble??? I'm following her just fine. I'm sure she would be happy to dumb down for you if she could, but I don't think she does "dumb".
Engaging in a scuffle doesn't give you carte blanche to shoot someone dead if they get the upper hand on you. THAT'S why this is going to trial.
Besides, if Zimmerman was in as grave a danger as the right-wingers want to believe, why was he not hospitalized the night of the tragedy? Because his injuries were so minor, it wasnt necessary? Bingo.
As someone else stated, just because you percieve a threat, doesn't make it so, and it does not give you license to go trigger happy on your "assailant". A bloody nose and a few scratches to the back of the head hardly speaks of mortal danger. Not to mention there's a possibility that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. A strong possibility. Right-wingers are delusional if they think this is a simple open and shut case.
There is no "strong possibility" that Zimmerman started the physical altercation. Martin had no injuries prior to the shooting. Plus, even if Zimmerman did start the confrontation, he can still succeed on a self-defense claim if Martin escalated the fight. The seriousness of Zimmerman's injuries are not dispositive to his self-defense claim. Zimmerman only needed to believe that his life was in danger. Evidence shows and witnesses concur that Martin was on top of him banging Zimmerman's head on the ground and Zimmerman said that Martin told him he was going to kill him. Sounds to me like he had ample reason to fear for his life.
Amazing isn't it? People are so entrenched in ideology that they simply cannot let it go despite the clear facts, almost all of which support Zimmerman's self-defense story. The facts supported his story from the beginning, which is why the first DA did not charge him until people made this political. Zimmerman said Martin pounded his head on the ground and he had injuries to the back of his head. Witnesses saw Martin on top of him and Martin had stains on his jeans. Zimmerman said martin attached him and Zimmerman had a nose injury, probably the result of a first "sucker" punch. You couple all of that with Martin's extensive history of fighting (despite his girlfriend's lies to the contrary), then this is really a pretty clear-cut case of self-defense. The more non-biased evidence that comes out in this case, the more clear it becomes that the initial investigation in this case concluded with the correct result.
The police initially took Zimmerman's word for it w/o any investigation whatsoever. That is what ignited the firestorm.
Witness accounts have varied; some have been retracted. Lots of lying going on here. It will be up to the jury to decide who is telling the truth.
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You cannot dispute what you don't know to be fact. No one knows it to be an absolute fact that TM initiated the altercation. No eyewitness, no video, only the word of GZ. I'm not saying GZ is lying or not because the fact is we don't know.
There are several "maybes" as to what happened.
Maybe TM did throw the first punch?
Maybe TM got in GZ's face and GZ threw a punch or pushed back and TM overpowered him?
Maybe TM confronted GZ, gave him a mouthful, turned to walk away, and GZ grabbed him by the arm?
Maybe.............maybe................maybe.
The insanity in this social understanding, is there are people who passionately want to understand an inexcusable murderous intent of behalf of what all evidence fully supports, a victim.
So its as though the victim's head, the one attacked, is still continuously being slammed into the concrete with ill- will.
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There is no "strong possibility" that Zimmerman started the physical altercation. Martin had no injuries prior to the shooting. Plus, even if Zimmerman did start the confrontation, he can still succeed on a self-defense claim if Martin escalated the fight. The seriousness of Zimmerman's injuries are not dispositive to his self-defense claim. Zimmerman only needed to believe that his life was in danger. Evidence shows and witnesses concur that Martin was on top of him banging Zimmerman's head on the ground and Zimmerman said that Martin told him he was going to kill him. Sounds to me like he had ample reason to fear for his life.
Does that mean I can shoot up a liquor store because I believed the slurpee machine posed a threat to my life? Probably not.
Again, Zimmerman's injuries were so minor, hospitalization was deemed unessessary. I've seen bar fights end with someone in an abundance being treated for minor cuts and bruises. Zimmerman didn't even get that treatment. We have a trial set to begin because he clearly wasn't in any grave danger the night of the incident, yet chose to end a young man's life anyway.
Do us all a favor--when you get a chance, hop in your car and follow around a young man for several blocks in the dark. Make sure he sees you. Then exit your car within close range of him. Come back and tell us the reaction you got. THAT'S the confrontation Zimmerman initiated.
Does that mean I can shoot up a liquor store because I believed the slurpee machine posed a threat to my life? Probably not.
Again, Zimmerman's injuries were so minor, hospitalization was deemed unessessary. I've seen bar fights end with someone in an abundance being treated for minor cuts and bruises. Zimmerman didn't even get that treatment. We have a trial set to begin because he clearly wasn't in any grave danger the night of the incident, yet chose to end a young man's life anyway.
Do us all a favor--when you get a chance, hop in your car and follow around a young man for several blocks in the dark. Make sure he sees you. Then exit your car within close range of him. Come back and tell us the reaction you got. THAT'S the confrontation Zimmerman initiated.
Were Trayon's injuries life threatening the split second before that trigger was pulled?
Does that mean I can shoot up a liquor store because I believed the slurpee machine posed a threat to my life? Probably not.
No. The belief has to be reasonable.
Again, Zimmerman's injuries were so minor, hospitalization was deemed unessessary. I've seen bar fights end with someone in an abundance being treated for minor cuts and bruises. Zimmerman didn't even get that treatment. We have a trial set to begin because he clearly wasn't in any grave danger the night of the incident, yet chose to end a young man's life anyway.
Do us all a favor--when you get a chance, hop in your car and follow around a young man for several blocks in the dark. Make sure he sees you. Then exit your car within close range of him. Come back and tell us the reaction you got. THAT'S the confrontation Zimmerman initiated.
This wasn't a bar fight with a bunch of people around. Martin was on top of him in the dark and in the rain, banging his head on the ground and telling him he was going to die. Self defense is completely reasonable there. It doesn't matter that Zimmerman was investigating a suspicious person at the time, that is not illegal.
Does that mean I can shoot up a liquor store because I believed the slurpee machine posed a threat to my life? Probably not.
Again, Zimmerman's injuries were so minor, hospitalization was deemed unessessary. I've seen bar fights end with someone in an abundance being treated for minor cuts and bruises. Zimmerman didn't even get that treatment. We have a trial set to begin because Zimmerman clearly wasn't in any danger the night of the incident, yet chose to end a young man's life anyway.
Do us all a favor--when you get acchance, hop in your car and follow around a young man for several blocks in the dark. Make sure he sees you. Then exit your car within close range of him. Come back and tell us the reaction you got. THAT'S the confrontation Zimmerman imitated.
Your analogies are worthless and an indication of an incapability to estimate anything.
1) A dark place at night outside has nothing to do with a bar with all kinds of people around.
2) His injuries show what was in motion, head slamming against concrete, thats how people get killed, one more slam in half a second could easiliy have been fatal.
3)So...if someone is looking for someone for any reason, and follows around to ask for help or anything at all, have you seen a young toddler for example...your version of society prompts what would be a logical expectation for violence...is that it..?
your idea of community and society is not deserving of any order.
Sanford police didn't test him for drugs or alcohol after the shooting (such tests are standard practice in homicide investigations). He was licensed to carry his gun, and police initially told Martin's father that they hadn't pressed charges because Zimmerman was a criminal justice student with a "squeaky clean" record.
That wasn't entirely true, however; in 2005, Zimmerman was arrested for "resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer"; those charges were dropped. Media investigations and Martin family attorneys suggest that Zimmerman was a vigilante with "a false sense of authority" in search of young black men in his neighborhood. Police records show Zimmerman had called 911 a total of 46 times between 2004 and the day he shot Martin. (Florida guidelines for licensed gun owners state: "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman.")
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