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Old 06-19-2013, 04:56 PM
 
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If the man's race is any sort of a factor, it's racial discrimination. Doesn't have to be the only reason or the main reason for termination for it to be unjust. And if it's just some vague feeling of discomfort, it's still unjust, whether it has to do with race or not. If you can't articulate the reason for ****ing up someone's life (however temporarily), you probably shouldn't be doing it.
Really? Your life gets ****ed up from losing your job? If you can not find a similar job after being fired for non-crisis reasons, then I will argue you probably didn't deserve the position in the first place.

People lose their jobs all the time even if it is illegal to fire employees. Many companies go bust or need to downsize. You should be prepared for losing your job, doing anything else would be dumb.

Your policy of making it easy to sue employers after being fired leads to less hiring overall. As shown before, unemployment rate is much higher in countries where there is more employment security. That is only good for some protected employees and it sucks for everyone else who can not change jobs and will struggle to find new job if they lose their previous job.

 
Old 06-19-2013, 05:12 PM
 
Location: TX
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Really? Your life gets ****ed up from losing your job? If you can not find a similar job after being fired for non-crisis reasons, then I will argue you probably didn't deserve the position in the first place.
And I would say that argument is entirely ridiculous. People don't generally have jobs lined up unless they're expecting to lose their current one.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 05:21 PM
 
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And I would say that argument is entirely ridiculous. People don't generally have jobs lined up unless they're expecting to lose their current one.
People who are not complete dumbasses are prepared for losing their job and won't get their life ****ed up from losing their job. They will just stay unemployed for some months before they find a new one. Of course if it is in the recession then it might take longer, but no employment protection will protect you from a recession.

Also, average length of employment is 4.4 years. That means the average employed American is able to get a new job if he loses his current one.

There are some people who are dependent on their job or else their life gets ****ed up. But why should have any sympathy for them when they are earning way above their ability and it is their irresponsibility that got them into that situation. If you have been lucky and got a job which pays you a lot more than you are qualified for, meaning there is no way you will able to find a similar job, then use the opportunity to save up some money.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Most young people and some older ones never keep a reserve of cash. Being conditioned by a consumer society they believe money is only for spending and you must spend all you have constantly- If you work then you must restrain spending and manage the money at least to a small degree. It is not so much about saving but not having to borrow. The wealthier side of my family isolate themselves..Those with meager wealth are in a constant state of borrowing from each other. Which is not bad that family who work run their own little economy among themselves. I can see if you do not have family that it would be difficult to admit to a "friend" that you are needy.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 06:14 PM
 
Location: TX
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People who are not complete dumbasses are prepared for losing their job and won't get their life ****ed up from losing their job.
Clarifying first that neither of us are meaning that one's entire life is wasted as a result of this unemployment, still, what a bogus generalization! For example, people can't get jobs that aren't there, and we haven't even discussed any particular skill level or trade (yes, this matters!) And some financial demands are out of our control and might spring up right before we are fired by some bigoted jerk. Your judgemental attitude notwithstanding, no one knows the future.

I get that we should all be prepared to the best of our ability. It's a matter of personal responsibility, doing all that we can. However, doing their job well and not giving their boss any reason to fire them is a part of that responsibility. Since there is no reasonable call to terminate them, the only one being irresponsible is the employer letting them go for reasons entirely unrelated to their business. You're saying, essentially, the employees should pay for what you are automatically assuming must be a lack of responsibility on their part, yet you have no criticism for employers that are blatantly demonstrating irresponsibility by putting prejudice above the good of their actual business? Only in America can such juvenile behavior be condoned while qualities such as good work ethic are assigned no value.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 06:16 PM
 
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wrong, a business is not a personal property like a home or car. Once you decide to own and employ, you have to follow the laws.

laws say you cannot discriminate.
Yep.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 11:28 PM
 
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This statement here represents the views of an overwhelming majority of people under 30. Unless the GOP changes its policies on LGBT issues, they will become the next whigs.
This statement here represents the views of an overwhelming majority of Religious people in this country (regardless of age). Unless the country changes its policies on LGBT issues, it will become the next Evil Empire.
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