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"I don't know if you've ever been subject to a random attack on a dark street, but in that moment when the first hit comes, you will absolutely fear for your life. Trust me."
It seems that people who support George Zimmerman's actions cannot fathom that this is likely how Trayvon was feeling. George was following Trayvon...There was nothing to surprize George, except perhaps that Trayvon stood his ground....the best he could. George instigated all of this. Bullying in the extreme.
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Could be a private investigator following you cause you're cheating on your spouse. Might be the FBI cause someone called and said you looked like a wanted person on a poster at the post office. Like I said in this country everyone is free to walk down the same streets as you are. As long as they aren't assuaulting you, you can't do anything to them but call the police. Otherwise you go from being the victim to the suspect.
This was not a public road. You keep saying he was walking in public. The victim was already inside the gated community where he was staying.
It seems that people who support George Zimmerman's actions cannot fathom that this is likely how Trayvon was feeling. George was following Trayvon...There was nothing to surprize George, except perhaps that Trayvon stood his ground....the best he could. George instigated all of this.
Stood his ground? Apparently you don't know what "stand your ground" is because there's no proof of any situation that could be interpreted as such.
And I hope you're not trying to equate being attacked with being followed.
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This was not a public road. You keep saying he was walking in public. He was already inside the gated community where he was staying.
This is a semantic argument and really does nothing to counter his point.
I hope Michael Dunn spends the rest of his life in prison. I remember watching the video of his statement to the police. He said he heard someone say "kill him" so he rolled down his window and shot several times into the SUV. My first question would be "why did you even ask these kids to turn down their music?" and "if what you're saying is true, that you were threatened, why would you then roll down your window instead of driving away?
The man was drunk and drove to a hotel, ordered pizza and then drove home the morning after killing a 17 year old boy. He didn't even call the police. This is an entirely different case from the Trayvon Martin shooting.
Still, I do see your point. I was only saying that, just because someone is White and conservative, it does not mean he is also a racist.
Based on what I know about Michael Dunn, which is admittedly very little, he's guilty as sin.
Based on what I know about Michael Dunn, which is admittedly very little, he's guilty as sin.
But what the hell is the bolded about?
He had only stopped at a convenient store. It wasn't even in his own neighborhood. There's nothing wrong with telling someone to turn down very loud music. I think it's very annoying. However, Dunn made an effort to drive his car over to an SUV full of teenagers listening to music and then put down the windows. Obviously the music wasn't bothering him that much, but it probably just wasn't his type of music. He said in the video that they turned it down right away. There were eyewitnesses too.
Of course people should get involved when a crime is being committed or someone is being rude. I told a couple of teenagers who were using very foul language in a supermarket to clean up their language. But I wouldn't have walked across the parking lot to do it late at night if they weren't in front of me. (they told me to go F myself, but I didn't shoot them) He was driving home from a wedding and was probably very drunk. Why didn't he call the police after a shooting?
[quote=SamBarrow;30260053]Stood his ground? Apparently you don't know what "stand your ground" is because there's no proof of any situation that could be interpreted as such.
And I hope you're not trying to equate being attacked with being followed.
Perhaps you prefer....Trayvon fought for his life. It seems George can stalk, harass, possibly physically accouste a teen, ending in shooting him. You only have George's word, your proof?. I'd consider the source....
There is reason to believe when you are being attacked that you will suffer grave bodily injury.
You also seem not to realize that people don't wear their ages printed clearly on their shirts.
I wouldn't bet a dollar that he's innocent at this point. But there is reasonable doubt.
Zimmerman himself described Trayvon as a late teen during his call w/ the dispatcher....Did you listen to his other 911 calls. He hid in his home when reporting adults who seemed suspect....But, a teen he follows, with a gun....Oh...A gun he forgot he had on??
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This is a semantic argument and really does nothing to counter his point.
Unfortunately the site went down before I could finish my post.
However, I disagree that a private community is the same as a public street. Still, the FBI would identity themselves. They don't stalk private citizens who aren't being investigated for criminal activity. Regarding a P.I., why would a private investigator follow a 17 year old teenager? (and you call my post "a semantic argument"
We are talking about a strange man in a dark SUV following a 17 year old in the rain. He followed him in his car. He followed him on foot. This wasn't a case of someone "following" another person as if they were both headed to the same store. I lived in Boston for a long time, so I know the difference. Many times people are in back of you for several blocks. If you turn left and right and that person is still in back of you, there's something peculiar about his actions. Zimmerman never identified himself. We don't hear it on the 911 tape and he didn't mention it in his statements to the police or his reenactment at the scene.
Unfortunately the site went down before I could finish my post.
However, I disagree that a private community is the same as a public street. Still, the FBI would identity themselves. They don't stalk private citizens who aren't being investigated for criminal activity. Regarding a P.I., why would a private investigator follow a 17 year old teenager? (and you call my post "a semantic argument"
We are talking about a strange man in a dark SUV following a 17 year old in the rain. He followed him in his car. He followed him on foot. This wasn't a case of someone "following" another person as if they were both headed to the same store. I lived in Boston for a long time, so I know the difference. Many times people are in back of you for several blocks. If you turn left and right and that person is still in back of you, there's something peculiar about his actions. Zimmerman never identified himself. We don't hear it on the 911 tape and he didn't mention it in his statements to the police or his reenactment at the scene.
Dont forget, he wasn't on duty that night, nor was the HOA ok w/ gun carrying when a person was to be on duty.
Dont forget, he wasn't on duty that night, nor was the HOA ok w/ gun carrying when a person was to be on duty.
Yes, but whether or not he was acting as the neighborhood watch captain that night doesn't matter. Any private citizen has the right to investigate a crime, but there was no crime being committed, just walking in the rain. Why is that acting suspiciously? On TV there's an erectile dysfunction commercial (Viagra or Cialis) where the man's wife is beckoning him to walk outside in the pouring rain. I guess when 2 middle aged White people do it, that's supposed to be romantic.
Regarding the gun, yes it's against the rules, but he did have a permit, so that's one of those arguments that could go on for months and never be resolved. I mean, he did have the right to carry, but as you wrote, most NW programs not only discourage carrying a weapon, they prohibit it.
This article from last year supports not only the NW rules but shows what someone with a level head would do in the same situation. In this case, someone was committing a crime. Still, the man stayed inside, called the police (watch & report) and they caught the perpetrator down the street. Nobody was shot to death.
[url=http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-14/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-another-neighborhood-watch-leaders-view-beth-kassab-20120314_1_neighborhood-watch-police-officer-weapons]Trayvon Martin Shooting: Another Neighborhood Watch leader's view - Orlando Sentinel[/url]
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?. I'd consider the source....
