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Old 06-30-2013, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- Remember all those who denied that firearms confiscation as a result of New York’s new gun laws was too “insane” to even consider?
That it was strictly in the realm of paranoid conspiracy theorists and the “it cant happen here crowd”?

Those were and remain some of the standard replies to anyone who even thought about the possibility, let alone gave voice to it, despite the fact that Gov Cuomo and numerous other officials made public comments about such a plan, as I discussed in my article “Feinstein & Cuomo Admit Planning Australian Style Government Gun Buy Back” .
Elected Officials, the media, various Gun Control Groups and their zealous forced disarmament supporters, even some firearms owners themselves all insisted it was to crazy to even consider.
There’s just one huge problem it is happening now in New York State!
It seems those that tried desperately to warn of such an insidious plot had hit the bullseye with their warnings after all. News came from multiple NY State based firearms enthusiast websites late Friday that confiscations of Pistol Owner ID Cards, as well as firearms and accessories has commenced in NY under the provisions of the horribly flawed, draconian and blatantly unconstitutional NY SAFE Act.

Those folks having their weapons and FID cards confiscated have been discovered to have been prescribed multiple different types of psychotropic drugs, such as those for Depression or Anxiety. These are known as SSRI ( Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) class drugs and have the potential to cause serious and adverse side effects, something I wrote about extensively last week in an article that went viral in days and caused multiple Anti Gun and Progressive News Groups to initiate a concentrated denial of service hacker attack against Ammoland Shooting Sports News (see Daily KOS ” Keeping Track Of The RKBA Crowd” Daily Kos: Keeping track of the RKBA crowd), in an effort to keep the information from the public.
From NY NYS Police Departments Revoking Pistol Permits because of Anti-Anxiety Meds

“John Doe, an upstanding professional with no outstanding criminal convictions and no history of violent action received a letter from the Pistol Permit Department informing him that his license was immediately revoked upon information that he was seeing a therapist for anxiety and had been prescribed an anxiety drug. He was never suicidal, never violent, and has no criminal history. The New York State Department of Health is apparently conducting a search of medical records to determine who is being treated for anxiety drugs and using this as a basis for handgun license revocation.
Those are the facts. Nothing more, nothing less.
Now, before anyone trots out the old saw about how this is nothing more then a paranoid, unsubstantiated rumor on a “gun nuts” internet forum. I spoke to the Attorney of Record in this matter on the phone this morning and he confirmed that the above snippet is accurate and these cases are happening!
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James Tresmond Esq confirmed in our conversation that the above mentioned case is occurring in Erie County NY, it is his client that has been effected, and as yet unknown sources have seen fit to take it upon themselves to share confidential medical records with NY State Officials without authorization, a massive HIPPA violation.
It seems these supposedly confidential records are then compared against a list of known NY pistol license holders and letters are sent out demanding their Pistol Owner ID Cards be surrendered, as well as any firearms and accessories.
Here is a link to the Attorney of Record on this case, Jim Tresmond, giving a radio interview on the Tom Bauerle Show on WBEN 930AM/107.7 FM:
Bauerle With Jim Tresmond - WBEN NewsRadio 930 : Buffalo & Niagara Falls, NY

This is an unprecedented violation of a Citizens 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendment RIGHTS, brought to fruition by power and control hungry tyrants holding elected office who swore an Oath to uphold and defend the very rights they are now actively stripping from their constituents.
Moreover, the confiscation efforts underway in NY State have had another, albeit unintended effect. By undertaking this course of action, those in power have inadvertently pulled back the curtain on something they have suppressed from the Citizens for far to long, leaving them with precious little wiggle room to explain away their actions.
Either they are acknowledging that there is in fact some sort of little reported link between the prescribing of psychotropic drugs and violent behavior, thus they are somehow, at least in their own minds “justified” in their actions to preempt someone from violence.
Or, this is nothing more then a backdoor confiscation effort and massive abuse of governmental power unleashed on innocent Citizens.

Those are the only two possible explanations.
If anyone still feels some level of doubt regarding the veracity of this story, Attorney Tresmond welcomes anyone to visit his website tresmondlaw.com, Facebook page ( https://www.facebook.com/james.tresmond.7 ), or send an email to TresmondLaw@gmail.com.
Mr Tresmond asks that those making inquiries be mindful and respectful of the fact that they have been deluged with inquiries in recent days and therefore a personal reply may be delayed or impossible due to the volume.


Read more: NY Gun Confiscation Underway - Citizens Told to Turn in Pistol Owner ID & Firearms
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Please explain this away *******s.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:23 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Well, as I am not 10 years old, I won't call you a playground-style name. However, I do seem to remember that IMMEDIATELY after Newtown, and I mean while the children's bodies were still warm, ever gun lover on this forum was calling for tighter restrictions on the mentally ill.

Of course, the rest of us knew that it was just a desperate attempt to deflect attention from yet another gun disaster, but I'd still like to hear how that can be reconciled with your outrage over exactly such restrictions.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I'm confused... haven't gun supporters maintained explicitly that the issue is not guns, but mental illness?

Have you changed your minds?
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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So, taking a prescription medication for anxiety or depression constitutes being "mentally ill"?
Really.
It is OK for the government to access supposedly confidential patient records, in violation of existing law, to see who is taking these medications, is that correct?
Only in the mind of an anti-gun nut!
IMO, the actions of New York justify outrage! What if it had been against something other than guns? Would the antis be outraged then?
Oh, right, the government is trampling on the rights of the citizens to enhance safety, so it is OK. We can give up rights for the safety of society!
NO!!
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:43 AM
 
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Letting the mentally ill control freaks in gubberment define mental illness has always been a bad idea.
Eventually it will be deemed that wanting to own a gun is a mental illness in and of itself.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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So, taking a prescription medication for anxiety or depression constitutes being "mentally ill"?
No.

Suffering from depression or anxiety that is so intense that it require medication is mentally ill.

I love how this thread is demonstrating the dishonesty of gun supporters who tried previously to change the subject to mental illness.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:01 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Probably one of main reasons a lot of people don't treat their mental illness, are afraid to go to the doctor and afraid of being labeled crazy, looked down on by society and have their rights taken away.

I have some anxiety issues but I am far from being mentally ill. Should I be put in the same category as someone who has major depression?!

This BS only adds to it.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Probably one of main reasons a lot of people don't treat their mental illness, are afraid to go to the doctor and afraid of being labeled crazy, looked down on by society and have their rights taken away.
True.

Note, this is true for both the people who are crazy and those who are not.

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Originally Posted by KickAssArmyChick
I have some anxiety issues but I am far from being mentally ill. Should I be put in the same category as someone who has major depression?!
That's the right wing problem. All their alleged "solutions" depend on reducing complex continua into neat little discrete categories. Hence, you end up with threads like this where they cannot avoid contradicting themselves.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:27 AM
 
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No.

Suffering from depression or anxiety that is so intense that it require medication is mentally ill.

I love how this thread is demonstrating the dishonesty of gun supporters who tried previously to change the subject to mental illness.
No, Sir. Mentally ill can only be defined by a court not by anybody's or even a doctor's opinion.

The problem with mentally ill is because that most states do NOT submit people who are being legally designated as mentally ill to NICS.

If I follow your logic, just because you take a chill pill for your depression, now you are mentally ill and you shouldn't be able to vote. We don't want mentally ill people to vote, do we?

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Old 07-01-2013, 08:30 AM
 
Location: DFW
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If you oppose this you must be mentally ill.

If you're mentally ill, you must turn in your guns.
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