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Old 07-05-2013, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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What do you mean "if he makes a mistake"? He's either guilty of murder or he acted in self defense. If he acted in self defense, how could he make a mistake on the stand?
This case boils down to whether the jury believes Zimmerman was telling the truth or not. The prosecution has already exposed him as a liar.
Since the defense also knows that if he makes a mistake on the stand it could lead to a conviction, it's all about beating the prosecution and letting a guilty man walk.
Zimmerman is not required to testify and his defense team will not have him testify... The prosecution is not charged with convicting Zimmerman of lying, they are charged with prioving Zimmerman to be guilty of Murder 2... Which they have not done... Zimmerman is not going to go on the stand..

 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:11 PM
 
Location: The Golden State, USA
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He's not guilty until the jury says so and at this point it doesn't look like that's going to happen.
Do you have access to the jury?
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:12 PM
 
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Since you're asking those type of questions.....

GZ has some superficial injuries to the back of his head. I do believe TM was on top. The Bullett NEVER passed through Trayvon's body. It was a hollow point, and did its damage within. Only one entrance wound, no exit would. So the Ground is immaterial.

The bullet was recovered within TM's body.

But since you asked;

Why is the body some 50 Feet from the start of the altercation, as described by GZ?

Much more interesting question than what we already know about the bullet.
I thought I heard the bullet exited. Not the first time I've been wrong.
Why didn't the investigators who grilled GZ for hours, on several occasions, seem to think nothing of the "50 feet" issue? They found him to be truthful on the important facts. How is it the people of this forum think they know better than the professionals who actually conducted the investigation. Especially since we know this case is politically motivated.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:13 PM
 
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Do you have access to the jury?
No, but he has a crystal ball.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:13 PM
 
Location: DFW
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People tend to forget that the Sanford PD came under fire for not doing enough of a thorough investigation ....
They did a thorough investigation and believed there was not a reason for charges. They believed his self defense claim.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:14 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Do you have access to the jury?
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No, but he has a crystal ball.
yes, as much as you two do.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:15 PM
 
Location: The Golden State, USA
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Zimmerman is not required to testify and his defense team will not have him testify... The prosecution is not charged with convicting Zimmerman of lying, they are charged with prioving Zimmerman to be guilty of Murder 2... Which they have not done... Zimmerman is not going to go on the stand..
I know he's not going to take the stand & to quote you "it's because he might make a mistake & it could lead to a conviction".....Let me ask you again. How could he be innocent of the crime of which he's accused if by making a mistake which would lead to a conviction? He's either guilty or not guilty & if he's not guilty, what possible mistake could he make that he would be convicted????
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:16 PM
 
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Your 100% certain TM wouldn't have approached GZ's car and started an altercation?

Were you there? Are you clairevoyant? Come to you in a dream?

They both did stupid things that night.

I still don't see why TM called his girlfriend instead of 911. What could she have done?
Based on the fact that he ran from GZ's car, yes I am certain he wouldn't have approached him in the car. He was walking back from 7-11. You're being ridiculous. At least others could admit that he made a bad decision by getting out of his car.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:17 PM
 
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Yes, but wouldn't it come to mind if you're in a dangerous situation?
Actually in a dangerous situation you will have an adrenaline dump that inhibits your fine motor skills and can make you confused and hard to think quickly.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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People tend to forget that the Sanford PD came under fire for not doing enough of a thorough investigation and allowng a dead teen to remain a John Doe for two days even though they had his cell phone. Don't you think that they are covering their own butts to some degree?

How would it sound if they admitted to GZ's story being somewhat suspect to them to some degree, but let him go anyway and just chalked it up to an insignificant run of the mill case. Who the hell takes someone's word in toto under circumstances such as this??? I wonder if George Zimmerman was in the least bit curious as to the identity of who he killed.

1. You are way behind if you think Trayvon was a John Doe for two days. That was a story told by one of the Martin family attorneys early on that has been proven a lie. Tracy Martin knew within 13 hours that his son was dead.
Also, the phone was dead at the scene, so the police couldn't call the phone anyway.

2. The prosecution chose these officers to testify. They had their own investigators, Osteen and Galbreath, who they did not have testify at all, nor did they call any of the other officers from Sanford PD. The defense has some of those other officers on their witness list. The prosecutors thought these two officers were their best chance for their case, so they clearly didn't think they were shoddy officers who were covering their butt.
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