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And here is something else. What do you hope to accomplish by posting statistics?
These statistics were compiled from hard facts. And what would be accomplished by hiding these statistics? These truths should not been covered up. And hidden truths have a way of coming out.
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What do you propose to do about these statistics to make changes?
It's not about what (us) non-blacks can do to institute changes for the better for the black community. At this point, it's up to the black community to come together and take a serious look at the negatives in their culture and lifestyle and reject them. For one thing, it's long overdue letting their young glorify rap culture and to hold as their primary role models black celebrities. And instead, the black community has to embrace the importance of managing their money, striving for academic prowess and specialized work skills and having a good work ethic.
To focus this debate that you find irrational and bigoted, black people represent approximately 12.5% of the US population. If you exclude black females, older men and children, you are left with just young black men, who represent maybe 3 or 4% of the total US population. Not a lot of people, yet they commit a staggering percentage of the violent crime. Conservative figures place the number at about 50%. (It may be slightly more or less in reality.) This is the hard truth that causes white people to fear and avoid black men. It does not demonstrate prejudice, it demonstrates self-preservation.
Growing up, I was given "the talk" about showing respect when confronted by law enforcement. I was also cautioned to avoid places where lots of black people gather (ex. nightclubs), because of the propensity for outbreaks of violence. That warning has protected me well.
Well, you will have to excuse me when I say I don't care what the statistics say when it comes to that context. I only case about statistics when it comes to trying to solve problems, to ameliorating bad situations. Using statistics to justify treating Blacks poorly is not something I want to see. I know that I'm a young Black man who is not involved in crime. Most young Black men that I know are not involved in crime. I don't associate with criminals. I have problems because it affects me. I am the one who is being judged based on the worst common denominator of the Black population. I'm the one who has to live with having to be "extra nice" in order to get anything. And it isn't just me. Many young Black men who are law-abiding citizens have to live with being judged by the worst denominator of the Black population. I'm not a criminal. I'm actually educated. I feel like treating me differently based on the stupidity of others is unfair. I'm basically in a catch 22. Doing criminal activities will only prove other right about their feelings towards Blacks. Not being a criminal and I can still get judged based on someone else's stupidity. Can you see why I am frustrated?
Such warnings have not always protected me. I've been assaulted by both White people and Black people.
These statistics were compiled from hard facts. And what would be accomplished by hiding these statistics? These truths should not been covered up. And hidden truths have a way of coming out.
I never asked how they were compiled. However, it would be helpful to know. I care more about how those statistics are used and applied. If all one intends to do with those statistics is use them to complain about Blacks, then that is just a waste of time.
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It's not about what (us) non-blacks can do to institute changes for the better for the black community. At this point, it's up to the black community to come together and take a serious look at the negatives in their culture and lifestyle and reject them. For one thing, it's long overdue letting their young glorify rap culture and to hold as their primary role models black celebrities. And instead, the black community has to embrace the importance of managing their money, striving for academic prowess and specialized work skills and having a good work ethic.
I ask such a question because all alot of people do is complain about Black people, and complain about them as a whole, basically ignoring law-abiding Blacks. If all one does is complain about Black people, one is wasting his or her time. That is why I ask "what do you propose to do about it"? I ask because complaining is getting no one anywhere. All it's doing is alienating people, and irritating me.
It isn't that Black people like me don't know there are problems. It is that people like me get tired of other people complaining, and judging me based on the worst segment of the Black population. Black people who have embraced success and education have basically left the ghettos. Those that don't often are left behind. People like my father have tried to talk some sense into those who elected to behave poorly. However, for some, it falls on deaf ears. I have a relative who has been in an out of prison half of his life, despite some relatives trying to talk sense into him. Some of us are trying, to no avail. I'm not saying its impossible. I'm saying it's difficult and it doesn't help when there are people basically using statistics as an excuse to bash Black people. You see, it isn't statistics that are the problem. It is what some people use those statistics that is the problem.
Until credible statistics can be provided otherwise from an accredited source, those are the numbers. In the meantime, your assertion is fallacious.
How do you figure that? If you see a cat dead on the highway you will assume that it was hit by a car and therefore would note that cars kill cats on the highway. Now if time was taken to research what actually happened (in this case the cat was killed and thrown on the highway) you would have found that your assumption was wrong but yet the written data still has not changed.
Like I said before, the statistics are from those who have been arrested and charged. It has been already proven that blacks and other minorities tend to be charged with harsher crimes than their white counterparts rather warranted or not. If you can acknowledge that racism exist in this country how can you at the same time deny that it does not occur in the courtroom as well? The toll of the racist injustice system | SocialistWorker.org
So even with the obvious evidence that the just-us system is skewed, thus affecting the statistics from the justice dept making blacks seem to be more violent than they actually are in comparision to the population in general
Of those homicides in 2011 in which the race of the victim and offender were both known, totals were as follows:
White homicide victims: 3,172 Offenders: White 2,630
Black homicide victims, 2,695 Offenders: Black, 2,447
As a white person you have more to fear from another white person than a black person, since most homicides and other violent crimes are within race---white on white, or black on black.
For those who like to parrot this particuliar statistic also fall to mention income levels and proximity. I'm pretty sure if you look at the stats in wealthy black neighborhoods it is equal to their white counterparts. that would also apply to the other end of the spectrum as well.
it isn't statistics that are the problem. It is what some people use those statistics that is the problem.
False. That's a load of bull; The statistics simply highlight the problem.
The problem is the significantly disproportionate percentage of AAs, as a segment of the overall AA population, who break the law, commit crimes, and partake in violent offenses. That is the problem.
You are free to type all you want with your platitudes and try to defer blame. But at the end the day, the problem (and thus the onus to fix the problem) belongs to that deviant group within the AA population.
False. That's a load of bull; The statistics simply highlight the problem.
The problem is the significantly disproportionate percentage of AAs, as a segment of the overall AA population, who break the law, commit crimes, and partake in violent offenses. That is the problem.
You are free to type all you want with your platitudes and try to defer blame. But at the end the day, the problem (and thus the onus to fix the problem) belongs to that deviant group within the AA population.
But yet you pretend that nothing that I wrote right above means nothing since you are going to believe what you want to without any hint of trying to understand the situation. Reasons like this is why race relations and unity will never be acheived. Because people use faulty statistical reports to further their flawed agendas
False. That's a load of bull; The statistics simply highlight the problem.
The problem is the significantly disproportionate percentage of AAs, as a segment of the overall AA population, who break the law, commit crimes, and partake in violent offenses. That is the problem.
You are free to type all you want with your platitudes and try to defer blame. But at the end the day, the problem (and thus the onus to fix the problem) belongs to that deviant group within the AA population.
How am I being false by voicing my concerns? Explain.
The problem is that law-abiding Black people sometimes get judged based on a particular deviant group within the Black population. Many will point to that group and say "avoid all Black people". Statistics are that, statistics. It is how you use those statistics that is the issue.
Well, you will have to excuse me when I say I don't care what the statistics say when it comes to that context. I only case about statistics when it comes to trying to solve problems, to ameliorating bad situations. Using statistics to justify treating Blacks poorly is not something I want to see. I know that I'm a young Black man who is not involved in crime. Most young Black men that I know are not involved in crime. I don't associate with criminals. I have problems because it affects me. I am the one who is being judged based on the worst common denominator of the Black population. I'm the one who has to live with having to be "extra nice" in order to get anything. And it isn't just me. Many young Black men who are law-abiding citizens have to live with being judged by the worst denominator of the Black population. I'm not a criminal. I'm actually educated. I feel like treating me differently based on the stupidity of others is unfair. I'm basically in a catch 22. Doing criminal activities will only prove other right about their feelings towards Blacks. Not being a criminal and I can still get judged based on someone else's stupidity. Can you see why I am frustrated?
Such warnings have not always protected me. I've been assaulted by both White people and Black people.
I don't treat blacks poorly at all, and have several black "work friends". When I am away from my job, I generally don't initiate contact with AAs because I am subjected to endless racism from so many of them at work. I also believe most white people can quickly spot those who are aggressive or intentionally intimidating, and those who are like you.
I am sorry that you feel you are unfairly treated. Are you especially anxious to have white friends? If so, why? Most people of every ethnic type seem to be more comfortable hanging out with others who have a similar background, common language, and life experiences. That seems normal to me, rather than racist.
I don't treat blacks poorly at all, and have several black "work friends". When I am away from my job, I generally don't initiate contact with AAs because I am subjected to endless racism from so many of them at work. I also believe most white people can quickly spot those who are aggressive or intentionally intimidating, and those who are like you.
I am sorry that you feel you are unfairly treated. Are you especially anxious to have white friends? If so, why? Most people of every ethnic type seem to be more comfortable hanging out with others who have a similar background, common language, and life experiences. That seems normal to me, rather than racist.
So you admit to judging all Black people based on the worst of the Black population. You know what that sounds like to me? Consider this. I went to a middle school and high school that was majority White(it still is today). I was tormented alot by White students, mostly boys. The girls tended to be alot nicer. I've been assaulted by some White youths before. One or two students have also threatened my life. One student claimed he was going to "lynch" me. I don't go judging the entire White population based on the stupidity of some students I went to middle school and high school with. What you are suggesting would be like me saying "I avoid White people" because of stuff that has happened to me.
There are those who can tell the difference between me, and a hood rat. However, those who can't tell the difference scare me because it affects me. It affected me when I got followed around in a store, despite that fact that I looked nothing like a hood rat.
And your question "Are you especially anxious to have White friends"? Well, I consider that to be a very stupid question. This is why. I'm not the type of person who has the "stick with your own race" mentality. I don't think like that. Having been around diverse groups of people in college, and having met different kinds of people, I don't think as you do. With some of the bad I went through in high school, I had a few White friends. What bothered me were those persons(of any ethnicity) who looked down on me for being Black American. Personally, I want to hang around people who accept me,the ethnicity is irrelevant to me. I've been around some Black people who treated me like crap because I wasn't "Black enough".
My problem is those persons who look for reasons to justify being a bigot.
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