'In God We Trust' is really unconstitutional (speech, bias, party)

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by alphamale

What religion is God?

The singular form of the pronoun certainly implies it would be a monotheistic one.

[Clark Park]

"God" is a vague, imprecise term. It could mean Brahma, Allah, Buddha, Ahura Mazda, YWHW, Zeus, Mother Nature, Osirus, Odin, Jesus, Serapis, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Satan, the big bang, your Aunt Sylvia, Quetzlcoatl ... anything.

It's just a motto.

[NoJiveMan]

Originally Posted by Jews for Jesus

As a religious person myself, as well as former government worker and professor - I must admit that I believe that the phrase 'In God We Trust' as official motto and on U.S. currency is really unconstitutional, because the government favors religious people (specifically monotheistic) over non-religious, and religion over non-religion. While "God" is not reference to a specific religion, it is still only one God. Some religions believe in numerous Gods, thus 'In God(s) We Trust' would be more constitutional but still favors religion over non-religion. However, 90% of Americans still believe in God, and majority of Americans are Christians.

I myself love the motto, but it does violate our secular constitution. The motto will never be abolished because the Congress and Presidents have supported it, and the U.S. Supreme Court have rejected cases numerous times regards it because they say it does not violate the constitution

I'm a professor too, see my status?

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by Clark Park

"God" is a vague, imprecise term. It could mean Brahma, Allah, Buddha, Ahura Mazda, YWHW, Zeus, Mother Nature, Osirus, Odin, Jesus, Serapis, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Satan, the big bang, your Aunt Sylvia, Quetzlcoatl ... anything.

It's just a motto.

This is basically the ruling from the SCOTUS. So based upon the ruling it means it's Constitutional. The only argument is then whether you agree with them or not.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by bUU

It does actually. .

Where does the motto ESTABLISH a religion for the nation?

Where?

[swagger]

Originally Posted by JasonF

The motto is a clear and obvious violation to everyone who has bothered to read to read the constitution

Oh?

What verbiage in the Constitution makes it unconstitutional? Be specific.

I'm agnostic, btw, so don't go getting your panties in a bunch about how I'm just defending my religion or any of that kind of crap. I argue based on facts and logic.

[BigCityDreamer]

Originally Posted by swagger

What verbiage in the Constitution makes it unconstitutional? Be specific.

It arguably violates the establishment clause, which over time has been understood as being the separation of church and state in the United States.

Thomas Jefferson even spoke at length of a "wall of separation."

[BentBow]

It does not say which god. God is in our hearts, in our souls and in our minds, so we believe in ourselfs and have faith in ourselves. You are your own GOD.
Now if it said in Jesus we trust,
or in Allah we trust.
or in Budda we trust.
or in Baptist we trust.
or in Catholic we trust
or the Church of America we trust.
or in the church of Obama we trust.


Remember it is freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer

It arguably violates the establishment clause, which over time has been understood as being the separation of church and state in the United States.

Thomas Jefferson even spoke at length of a "wall of separation."

Thomas Jefferson also held church in the halls of congress, every Sunday morning.

[evilnewbie]

You do realize by having a dollar bill with that logo doesn't influence you to be religious or not which is the spirit of the constitution... So, yes, to me it is constitutional...