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Old 08-05-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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Competition and technology were the game changers.
1) There is no technology the US doesn't have access to and/or can't use.
2) Competition: we were never supposed to be competing with countries like China or Malaysia. These are new policies (that didn't exist during the first 200 years of this nation) and were installed by "experts" who had no clue of the potential consequences. The so called competition was supposedly on a plain field, such as among US, Canadian and some Western Europeans companies.
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Old 08-05-2013, 03:13 PM
 
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Actually, the blame rests with the American government.
The tax and regulatory overhead cuts profit margins. Business is in the business to make money - not be a cash cow for the government.
As long as local production is penalized and foreign production is rewarded, things won't get better.
Which is why the government needs to start subsidizing all manufacturing now. That's the only way you'll be able to compete with slave labor, and that is why our Ag sector is unparalleled in the world, because we subsidize it
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Old 08-05-2013, 05:06 PM
 
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This is the real price of made in China, environmental pollution. If you recall the Olympics everyone wore a mask, it is far worse now. You have to wonder what it takes for them to get a grip on the problem, wearing masks to work, air purifiers, the medical problems are going to be severe.

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China is the world’s second largest economy, but the
enormous costs of its growth are becoming apparent. Residents of its boom cities
and a growing number of rural regions question the safety of the air they
breathe, the water they drink and the food they eat. It is as if they were
living in the Chinese equivalent of the Chernobyl or Fukushima nuclear disaster
areas.

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Most days, she ends up housebound. Statistics released Wednesday by the Ministry of Environmental Protection revealed that air quality in Beijing was deemed unsafe for more than 60 percent of the days in the first half of 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/su...src=twrhp&_r=0



Also one of the largest importers in the illegal trade of animal parts.

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Chinese border officials were in for quite the surprise when they discovered
some unusual cargo on transport from Russia: 213 smuggled bear paws.


Hidden inside the tires of a truck that was attempting to cross the border
from Russia into Inner Mongolia, the load is reportedly the highest number of bear paws that has ever
attempted to be smuggled
into China.
213 Smuggled Bear Paws Intercepted At Chinese Border (VIDEO)
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Old 08-06-2013, 05:13 AM
 
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2) Competition: we were never supposed to be competing with countries like China or Malaysia.
how do you figure?
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Old 08-06-2013, 05:54 AM
 
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Clinton had the gall to accuse those who opposed China's entry into the WTO of "aligning themselves with the Chinese army and hard-liners in Beijing who do not want accession for China." Clinton claimed that the agreement that he championed "creates a win-win result for both countries," arguing that exports to China "now support hundreds of thousands of American jobs" and "these figures can grow substantially." (Clinton's press person at the Clinton Global Initiative did not respond to my requests for feedback.)
Jane White: Bill Clinton's True Legacy: Outsourcer-in-Chief
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Old 08-06-2013, 06:19 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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how do you figure?

The trade tariffs that this nation always had, all the way up to the year 1999(look when manufacturing left the USA) kept us safe from what has now happened and it kept us pretty much a self sufficient nation.

Since NAFTA and the China Free Trade Act, we no longer have the power of the people to produce or stay productive. It is less costly for business to have slaves produce what they sell.

Certain people in the south, got real rich off slave labor. This is no different. You cannot compete with slave labor, when you want a paycheck and a safe work place.
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:46 AM
 
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The trade tariffs that this nation always had, all the way up to the year 1999(look when manufacturing left the USA) kept us safe from what has now happened and it kept us pretty much a self sufficient nation.
A) Manufacturing has not "left the USA." Manufacturing output is higher now than it has ever been in American history.

B) Manufacturing employment has been decreasing, but that trend started in the 1950's and thus cannot be blamed on free trade.

C) Just because early America had tariffs does not mean "America is supposed to have tariffs." By that logic, since early America had legal slavery, therefore America is supposed to have legal slavery.

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Since NAFTA and the China Free Trade Act, we no longer have the power of the people to produce or stay productive. It is less costly for business to have slaves produce what they sell.
Slavery is illegal in Canada and Mexico, so I don't know what you mean about "Slaves" and NAFTA

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Certain people in the south, got real rich off slave labor. This is no different.
Actually this is VERY different. Southern plantation owners had trouble finding available markets for cotton.

Southern plantation owners were forced to sell their cash crops to New Yorkers who had U.S.-government-granted monopolies on the domestic shipping lines. That is why New York is a giant city today, and Mississippi is a bunch of abandoned cotton fields: It was the New Yorkers who got rich off slave cotton.

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You cannot compete with slave labor, when you want a paycheck and a safe work place.
How does NAFTA promote slave labor?
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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how do you figure?
Simply: why wasn't almost no competition with Asia before 1980? Asia is there for a long time...
And when robotic aliens from space will land one day on planet earth, we aren't supposed to compete with these as well, although some may like aliens who don't eat and rest...
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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Simply: why wasn't almost no competition with Asia before 1980? Asia is there for a long time...
And when robotic aliens from space will land one day on planet earth, we aren't supposed to compete with these as well, although some may like aliens who don't eat and rest...
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:05 PM
 
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Wrong! These weren't the Chinese. America shoved outsourcing and trade agreements in their throats. Always thinking of the next big bubble... I spoke with Chinese and Indians - some are not happy with the pace these changes are taking place. The east, values balance and harmony and these were upset by the American onslaught. Currently 200M people are displaced from Chinese villages (where they lived for centuries) flooding the cities. That is a main source of concern for Chinese leaders. Their entire social fabric is shaken.
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