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All is see on these threads is people talking the abuses of EBT cards for people on welfare, yet i never a see a republican whine about the massive subsidies given to farmers. Doesn't this sound a little hypocritical?
No, it doesn't. Farm subsidies are given to limit the crops that are grown. They are an economic strategy, not welfare.
It's like this. If a farmer could grow a crop worth $10,000 you tell him to only grow $5,000 worth of the crop and you'll give him the other $5,000. You do this because the US has lots and lots of highly productive farmland. If all the farmers squeezed all the production they could out of all of it, then prices would crash.
We learned this from cotton in the 1800s. The US was the world's supplier of cotton. Then the cotton gin was invented which allowed cotton production to skyrocket. The result was a crash of cotton prices with hundred of bales of cotton rotting away because supply started to far exceed demand. Once the price of cotton got so low, it took a huge plantation of it to make any money at it. The price per bale dropped so far that a small scale crop wouldn't produce enough profit to support the farmer growing it. We ended up ruining a profitable market that had been one of the main drivers of our economy. We killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
We are at this point with food. Agricultural science has advanced to a point where we have the capacity to produce more than the market demands at sustainable prices. So we subsidize farmers to leave portions of their land fallow in order that the overall market remains stable.
I was raised on a farm and believe me, when the government started interferring with farmers and their livlihoods, nobody was more pissed off about it than the farmers. You have NO CLUE!
Since farmers are PREVENTED from farming their own land the way they see fit, I see nothing wrong with taking subsidies. They didn't ask for them, they didn't want them, but since they were forced upon them, they had to do what it took to support their families.
Welfare subsidies, on the other hand, are given to those who refuse to support their families.
Huge difference, and one I wouldn't expect a brainless liberal to understand.
And since you believe that statement of yours above to be the truth then I would have to say you should not be telling others they have NO CLUE!
All is see on these threads is people talking the abuses of EBT cards for people on welfare, yet i never a see a republican whine about the massive subsidies given to farmers. Doesn't this sound a little hypocritical?
When are you liberals going to get your head out of your A__ and quit blindly following the Dem party ? You have no solutions to anything, just ***** about whatever the Republicans do or think. It's time to realize that BOTH parties are the same, none of the subsidies would exist if both parties didn't go along. Wake up and look at both sides of an issue instead of being so single minded. It amazes me that the blacks and low income people have been loyal to the Dems for 50+ years while they've done nothing for them but keep them down.
OP, you should watch the documentary called "Food, Inc." That film reinforces what Dale Cooper said here in post #8.
And there are lots of welfare recipients who are simply cheating the system. Able-bodied people who simply don't wanna work. A few months ago I saw a documentary filmed in a ghetto part of my city in which a bunch of grown men were just sitting around and one proudly flashed his foodstamp card, and he even had a disability card(!). If I find a link to that I'll post it.
No, it doesn't. Farm subsidies are given to limit the crops that are grown. They are an economic strategy, not welfare.
It's like this. If a farmer could grow a crop worth $10,000 you tell him to only grow $5,000 worth of the crop and you'll give him the other $5,000. You do this because the US has lots and lots of highly productive farmland. If all the farmers squeezed all the production they could out of all of it, then prices would crash.
We learned this from cotton in the 1800s. The US was the world's supplier of cotton. Then the cotton gin was invented which allowed cotton production to skyrocket. The result was a crash of cotton prices with hundred of bales of cotton rotting away because supply started to far exceed demand. Once the price of cotton got so low, it took a huge plantation of it to make any money at it. The price per bale dropped so far that a small scale crop wouldn't produce enough profit to support the farmer growing it. We ended up ruining a profitable market that had been one of the main drivers of our economy. We killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
We are at this point with food. Agricultural science has advanced to a point where we have the capacity to produce more than the market demands at sustainable prices. So we subsidize farmers to leave portions of their land fallow in order that the overall market remains stable.
They are also given to cover the premium for crop insurance which pays if the crop doesn't produce a harvest.
I was raised on a farm and believe me, when the government started interferring with farmers and their livlihoods, nobody was more pissed off about it than the farmers. You have NO CLUE!
Since farmers are PREVENTED from farming their own land the way they see fit, I see nothing wrong with taking subsidies. They didn't ask for them, they didn't want them, but since they were forced upon them, they had to do what it took to support their families.
Welfare subsidies, on the other hand, are given to those who refuse to support their families.
Huge difference, and one I wouldn't expect a brainless liberal to understand.
Good Point and i for one do understand as many others also. I have friends and family who do work Social Security offices across this Country, and here in my State.
Lets not go there, and talk about the many many people who are commiting welfare fraud. I can go on and on about stories that i hear, no matter what others are trying to portray.
Fake information, and lying about illnesses these idiots don't have, the lies are freaking unbelievable. My one friend who is a security guard also at one of the social security offices, says he has to escort lying fake people out of the office all of the time, and these are people trying to commit fraud.
And are very irate and misguided people, who become dangerous, when asked to leave. He says the stories go on and on, and what people will do not to work. And some are so deserving of this. Others who are fake liars, are the ones who alwyas screw things up for those deserving.
And for those who deserve it and are deserving of it, no problem. It is those who are frauds that most have a problem with.
One gent became so pissed off he was asked to leave, he said he would come back and get even, nice ha, a lying fake scumbag, that is going to get even. Wrote about this plenty. Security who is a big guy, had to call the police, and i believe this guy was arrested.
Some people go thru great length to get this money they beleive they are rightfully owed.
Have a society with a certain mindset, what the hell you think people are going to try and do. We created this mess, now we all have to live with it.
It's in the farm bill because the two issues are connected.
If the president's economic policies are a failure, why are we gaining jobs each month?
It's ironic to hear a conservative call Obama's economic policies a failure.
The types of jobs created are the failure, not the actual job growth. More and more jobs are part-time and low-wage jobs. And I wonder why that is the case...
The Republican farm bill increases farm subsidies, to millionaires and corporations, and cuts food stamps for the poor and children. The Republican farm bill does a good job of highlighting who's side the GOP is on.
Which is ironic, considering that food stamps directly benefit the agricultural/rural base of the GOP. You'd think that more Republicans would be supportive of food stamps
The types of jobs created are the failure, not the actual job growth. More and more jobs are part-time and low-wage jobs. And I wonder why that is the case...
Yes, I understand. In the conservative alternative reality actual job growth isn't job growth. Keep telling yourself that.
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