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Go ahead and be disgusted, but it is what it is - a win. The big losers in this one are the right wing hawks who, for now, don't get their war with Iran. Add to that the Sunnis and the other rebels who are ultimately going to lose this war.
The sad part is that you actually consider it a "win" for Barack Obama, even after you admitted he didn't have jack crap to do with it from a diplomatic perspective.
Barack Obama had his finger on the trigger, and yet you'd love nothing more than to be able to call him the winner here simply because he was bailed out by Putin....and not because he actually did anything to be congratulated for.
Unbelievable how obtuse you folks really are. Just another sheep in the Obama Pasture.
Obama says he's skeptical of this plan.
Kerry says they are lying. Kerry demanded they turn the chemicals over in a week or be bombed.
The rebels are outraged that the US hasn't bombed yet.
FWIW the rebels, "our guys", are losing to Assad.
US MSM is spinning this and the fools are lapping it up.
The Arab League supports this Russian plan as well as China and Iran.
But the US and Israel are skeptical and doubt Assad will turn over the chemicals.
Most Americans don't realize that our rogue Government trained and funded Osama Bin Laden who would form the Taliban. Most Americans don't realize how close the Bush family is with the Bin Ladens, who are a very oil rich Saudi family, and were swiftly flown out of the country on 9/11 when nobody else was allowed to fly.
Americans don't realize that our rogue Government put Saddam Hussein in power and aided him with critical intel in order to gas Iranians throughout the 1980's. We were complicit in those attacks even though the chemical warfare was worse than what recently happened in Syria.
Most Americans would not be very patriotic if they realized all the actions of our leaders and rogue Govt./Military. Whoever the Rebels are that our politicians so desperately want us to fund and arm will probably be the next "enemy number one" to turn on The US of A.
Right. This first article is about a letter from Ahmadinijad to the U.S. (via the Swiss embassy) warning that the rebels could get hold of the chemical weapons stockpiled in Syria. The letter is from last spring.
Also the article states that Syria is the holder of the worlds 3rd largest chemical arsenal.
Make you wonder who has the first and second largest cw arsenal. US is undoubtedly one of them, who's the other?
In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq's war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein's military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent.
Even years before the U.S. provided Iraq with intelligence it used to carry out chemical attacks, friend of President Ronald Reagan and then Director of Central Intelligence William J. Casey and other intelligence officials were repeatedly informed of Iraq's use of chemical weapons in attacks, including strikes carried out by Saddam on Iraqis, the magazine reported.
“The Iraqis never told us that they intended to use nerve gas. They didn’t have to. We already knew,” said retired Air Force colonel Rick Francona, a military attache in Baghdad during the 1988 attacks.
They must have taken the threat of US attack seriously, because otherwise there would be no deal.
The end result will be a disarmed Syria, which is a good thing. Whether or not this was played in the best possible way, the outcome is a win for US and the west. It is also a win for Russia, because they will be seen as a new ally in some muslim countries.
They must have taken the threat seriously? Seriously? In case you haven't noticed, we've been blowing up country after country over there, destroying each one, for better than a decade now. And ... all of it done under false pretenses.
In an effort to save Syria (and the next target on the board, Iran) from the same fate as Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt and Libya, the Russian and Syrian governments have presented this proposal to take away the false pretext from the mobster war mongers in Washington, and hopefully avert World War III.
Whether it actually works is yet to be seen, because you can bet that the goal of imploding Syria as the next step in the march to war with Iran has not changed in the minds and desires of the psychopaths hell bent for war ... they have just been dealt another wild card blow to their plans ... much like the British Parliament rejection of war, and the failure of their domestic propaganda to sway public opinion which remains overwhelmingly against military action.
The truth is, the criminals in charge (both the democrats and republicans) want war so bad they can taste it .. but they've been dealt a few unexpected curve balls ... and they've been forced to at least slow down temporarily, in order to regroup and rethink their next tactical maneuver ... i.e. .. the next pack of lies to justify blowing up yet another country without just cause.
The sad part is that you actually consider it a "win" for Barack Obama, even after you admitted he didn't have jack crap to do with it from a diplomatic perspective.
Barack Obama had his finger on the trigger, and yet you'd love nothing more than to be able to call him the winner here simply because he was bailed out by Putin....and not because he actually did anything to be congratulated for.
Unbelievable how obtuse you folks really are.
Very little that happens in the arena of foreign diplomacy can be attributed to serendipity.
Either way US involvement in Syria will happen its all just a matter of time honestly. The media will kill this situation, find some murdered to be big as Trayvon Martins death or maybe even a major celebrity will die, and the US will just do a Libya situation and fight this as secretly as possible.
If I were Assad I wouldn't agree to the terms in full unless Israel gave up their weapons as well AND if the US doesn't support the rebels. So in short I would:
*Make Israel sign Chemical and Nuclear Weapon treaties as well.
*Give half of my arsenal IF Israel doesn't sign.
*The US isn't allowed to support the rebels nor is any other country allowed to.
*Full reimbursement for my weapons as investment for new infrastructure after the Civil War is finished.
Not gullible at all. I have merely seen and read credible people saying it's true.
You on the other hand say it's " pure bs" yet refuse to prove it. You don't give anything to back it up.
I could link to videos, but would probably get banned for the graphic content of them.
I've been against any Syrian attack all along and was against Libya....so I have no clue why you'd be saying those things to me.
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How many 'credible people' were on the media, dead certain that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? Sometimes it is those very people, who we think should have the 'inside scoop' who are lying to us.
I try to get news from many sources, BBC and even Al Jazeera and the RT website. I think there are too many in our media who are ready to beat the drums to the administration's tunes. It sometimes does not matter what administration, or what party, either. A true democracy(democratic republic for nit pickers) cannot exist if the people are fed lies, can it?
Hes been working overtime to convince congress to allow him to bomb. Nothing admirable about it.
He does not NEED to convince congress to "allow him to bomb". If he WANTED to bomb, he could simply bomb. The War Powers Act legally allows him to take action first then INFORM congress within 48 hours. It also allows him to continue to bomb for up to 60 days WITHOUT approval from congress - so he doesn't need approval from congress. That's the LAW.
Obama says he's skeptical of this plan.
Kerry says they are lying. Kerry demanded they turn the chemicals over in a week or be bombed.
The rebels are outraged that the US hasn't bombed yet.
FWIW the rebels, "our guys", are losing to Assad.
US MSM is spinning this and the fools are lapping it up.
The Arab League supports this Russian plan as well as China and Iran.
But the US and Israel are skeptical and doubt Assad will turn over the chemicals.
There will be no attacking of Syria by the US.
simple. obama and putin floated this plan last week at the g20, which was backed up by the russian official.
Transferring it's chemical weapons is not punishment. The world should be ashamed of letting another Hitler-esque dictator kill his own people with chemical weapons. Except this time, it's a slap on the wrist instead of intervention.
Barack Obama had it right: A strike on Syria is necessary. I supported, and still support, those strikes.
I guess when you've got Vladimir Putin staring you in the face, the United States is nothing more than a neutered cat. At least that's what this latest "proposal" indicates.
What a ****ing embarrassment this President has bestowed on the legacy of the United States of America.
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And ... all of it done under false pretenses.
Syria Needs To Be Punished
