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No need to lie bob, obama stated in 2007, that "his plan was every American will be insured."
Deny the quote bob...
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"My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is that the amount of money you will spend on premiums will be less," Obama said. "If you are one of 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will after this plan becomes law."
Well, you have changed your tune from a few posts ago...
I admit my numbers were off. I corrected them when I did further research. Otherwise, I don't think I've changed my tune.
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But, listen, change needs to happen, no doubt...but do you really think change needed to happen like it did?
Righties don't want to push grandma off the cliff as suggested by the lefties.....
Lets not forget how many time the house and the senate have been blue or red and nothing was done....
Preexisting conditions need to be taken care of, no doubt.
Sorry, but the way it was passed was not the right way to do it....
I also don't care if it was a rightie plan many years ago....the righties never attempted to push it through....
That's the thing, though, the right has never suggested anything. They seemed content to allow things to go on as they were. I don't like the way this was passed, either, but I bet you and I have different perspectives on that as well, so I won't go there.
What I would like to see is the GOP put forth some constructive ideas, which they STILL have not done, three years after passage. Where are their ideas to fix the problem? All we hear is, repeal, repeal, repeal. Then what? We never hear what comes next, because they have no ideas of their own.
No need to lie bob, obama stated in 2007, that "his plan was every American will be insured."
Yes, that was the PLAN he put forth to the American people as he was running for office. But he couldn't implement his plan without the help of Congress, and we all know how that went.
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Originally Posted by chucksnee
"My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is that the amount of money you will spend on premiums will be less," Obama said. "If you are one of 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will after this plan becomes law."
Yep, candidate Obama laying out his hope to pass universal health care. If only we had gotten that, then 100% of Americans would be covered. Alas, the GOP was not going to allow it...
I admit my numbers were off. I corrected them when I did further research. Otherwise, I don't think I've changed my tune.
It's not that your numbers were off, you were on some rant about how states would not allow people to be on medicaid or something....
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That's the thing, though, the right has never suggested anything. They seemed content to allow things to go on as they were. I don't like the way this was passed, either, but I bet you and I have different perspectives on that as well, so I won't go there.
What I would like to see is the GOP put forth some constructive ideas, which they STILL have not done, three years after passage. Where are their ideas to fix the problem? All we hear is, repeal, repeal, repeal. Then what? We never hear what comes next, because they have no ideas of their own.
Why should the right provide anything? They voted no, hell even nancy pelozi stated she had no clue what was in it.....
Maybe you miss understood me, you understand that over the last 20+ years the dems have owned both the house and the senate (during the same time time frame) and they did nothing during this time frame...and the same with the repubs....
What I would like to have seen happen is something other than here...take this and we will deal with it down the road....
Also, the cost...holy crap....3 times over the 900,000,000,000 price tag....
Yes, that was the PLAN he put forth to the American people as he was running for office. But he couldn't implement his plan without the help of Congress, and we all know how that went.
Yep, candidate Obama laying out his plan for universal health care. If only we had gotten that, then 100% of Americans would be covered. Alas, the GOP was not going to allow it...
Wait, so you mean ACA did not pass? Boy, that is going to surprise a lot of people?
Wait, so you mean ACA did not pass? Boy, that is going to surprise a lot of people?
Don't be disingenuous. ACA is not the universal healthcare plan he is talking about in that link you provided. It's a compromise; the best that could get through a House hellbent on obstructing everything. But you knew that.
Again, where are the GOP's ideas? What's this mysterious "replace" we keep hearing about?
That was his plan in 2007 for a UHC system. The ACA is not a UHC plan, it's the Heritage Foundation based plan that may well turn out to be the first step towards a UHC system.
It's not that your numbers were off, you were on some rant about how states would not allow people to be on medicaid or something....
Part of the way the ACA works is it expands Medicaid to cover more low income people. The SC ruling struck down the provision saying that states must expand their Medicaid coverage; they can now choose to opt out if they want. This created a gap which will leave millions of low income people with no access to coverage if a state decides not to expand its coverage, which many states controlled by the GOP have stated is their intention.
In the state of Kansas, for instance, which has stated they will not expand coverage, more than 58,000 people will fall into the gap and have no access to affordable coverage options. If Kansas does not expand Medicaid the state will not receive about $5.3 billion in additional federal Medicaid dollars between 2013 and 2022, and the state's hospitals would receive about $2.3 billion less in state and federal Medicaid payments for uncompensated care over the same period.
“Our analysis shows it’s in the best economic interests of states to expand Medicaid under the terms of the federal Affordable Care Act,” Carter Price, the study’s lead author, explained in a press release. “State policymakers should be aware that if they do not expand Medicaid, fewer people will have health insurance, and that will trigger higher state and local spending for uncompensated medical care.”
The GOP led legislatures and governors in these holdout states are playing politics instead of looking out for the best interests of their constituents, and that is unconscionable.
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[quote=HeyJude514;31191643]Don't be disingenuous. ACA is not the universal healthcare plan he is talking about in that link you provided. It's a compromise; the best that could get through a House hellbent on obstructing everything. But you knew that.
So tell me, who was the speaker of the house in 2010 when this was passed?
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Again, where are the GOP's ideas? What's this mysterious "replace" we keep hearing about?
Again, why? When they did not pass it?
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