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Old 09-05-2013, 02:44 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Where did JFK get us involved?
Um

Bay of Pigs?

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Old 09-05-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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north korea has been quiet since 1953, for the most part. and while there are atrocities going on there, it is nothing compared to what goes on in china or russia where the media cant get in. and dont forget that if we were to go into north korea, we would have to deal with china as well UNLESS there was good solid reason for the chinese to stay out of a conflict between the US and NK.

but lets go further, why isnt anyone doing anything about the happenings in various african countries? the point is that there are atrocities all around the world, and we cant stop them all, we dont have the manpower, and we dont have the authority. we also have to look at the bigger picture in each of these conflicts, starting with what is the US interest in joining any conflict?
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:48 PM
 
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No, NOT "but Bush". But EVERYONE. No president has gotten "tough" with North Korea since North Korea came into being.

I don't think it's OK for North Koreans to be starved OR for Syrian civilians to be gassed.
apparently you have forgotten about truman, or did you forget about the little tiff we had with north korea from 1950-1953? also dont forget that the US doesnt want to openly "get tough" with north korea, as it is better to work with china and let them get tough with their own ally. it causes less grief that way.
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:52 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Um

Bay of Pigs?

DUH! Missed that one

Then again it was Eisenhower who started sending advisors to Vietnam so he's not entirely clean.

And we've had an asinine policy towards Cuba ever since.
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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apparently you have forgotten about truman, or did you forget about the little tiff we had with north korea from 1950-1953? also dont forget that the US doesnt want to openly "get tough" with north korea, as it is better to work with china and let them get tough with their own ally. it causes less grief that way.
If you insist on separating gnat crap from pepper, let's say every President from Eisenhower onwards has failed to get "tough" with North Korea.

As for Truman, he wasn't doing anything for the North Koreans as much as he was fighting a proxy war with the Soviets and the Chinese, and preventing North Korea from annexing South Korea.
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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DUH! Missed that one

And we've had an asinine policy towards Cuba ever since.
Yup! All of that crap needs to go away.
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:54 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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north korea has been quiet since 1953, for the most part. and while there are atrocities going on there, it is nothing compared to what goes on in china or russia where the media cant get in. and dont forget that if we were to go into north korea, we would have to deal with china as well UNLESS there was good solid reason for the chinese to stay out of a conflict between the US and NK.

but lets go further, why isnt anyone doing anything about the happenings in various african countries? the point is that there are atrocities all around the world, and we cant stop them all, we dont have the manpower, and we dont have the authority. we also have to look at the bigger picture in each of these conflicts, starting with what is the US interest in joining any conflict?
Judging by what goes on around the world I can't help thinking the most productive use of our efforts would be in evicting the ineffective UN from NYC.
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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I am sure Seoul would love to get bombed.
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Old 09-05-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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Judging by what goes on around the world I can't help thinking the most productive use of our efforts would be in evicting the ineffective UN from NYC.
you know, the last time a world body, like the UN was dismantled, we got world war two. just saying.
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Old 09-05-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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you know, the last time a world body, like the UN was dismantled, we got world war two. just saying.
And how many wars have we got while the UN was in operation?
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