Rep Ted Yoho Dances Around Birtherism (parties, v, city, business)
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Based on the only standard that counts. More than 200 court decisions, at least 23 of which have declared Barack Obama to be a natural born US citizen.
My positionis the 14th Amendment and the historic record.
No. It's not.
Your position is a particularly idiosyncratic interpretation of the 14th Amendment and the historic record that is shared by essentially nobody with actual legal expertise.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Truth will out.
As it has already more than 200 times. Here's the list:
Careful, Informed Consent, you're starting to shriek....
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Exactly. Do we not make treaties with the U.K.? Canada? Mexico? France? Germany?, etc., etc.? "We make treaties with them therefore they are not subject to our jurisdiction."
Ah, but unlike the people of the U.K. or Canada or Mexico or France, Navajo children are born within the borders of the United States. The distinction that eludes you is that the Native American population is a unique case of a person being born within the jurisdiction of the United States, but also under the direct jurisdiction of the tribal governments.
You are stretching the point beyond what Senator Trumbull was saying. He was only responding to a question about one specific class of people, not about all people.
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I've underlined NATURALIZATION laws so that you will understand that Trumbull was discussing NATURALIZED citizens, not natural born citizens.
Direct quote from Senator Trumbull, in the passage that I cited:
"Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens."
Where in that statement does the good Senator require that the children apply for naturalized citizenship? He unequivocally states that merely being born in this country is the sole requirement for citizenship.
Again, you are stretching the point. Senator Trumbull is pressing home his argument that the pertinent determinant of citizenship at birth is the location of the birth within the jurisdiction of the United States (Pennsylvania, in his example).
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Also note that after that discussion and after the ratification of the 14th Amendment (which supersedes federal law), U.S. Secretaries of State determined those born in the U.S. to European alien fathers were not U.S. citizens:
Secretary of State Frederick Frelinghuysen determined Ludwig Hausding, though born in the U.S., was not born a U.S. citizen because he was subject to a foreign power at birth having been born to a Saxon subject alien father.
Similarly, Secretary of State Thomas Bayard determined Richard Greisser, though born in Ohio, was not born a U.S. citizen because Greisser's father, too, was an alien, a German subject at the time of Greisser's birth. Bayard specifically stated that Greisser was at birth 'subject to a foreign power,' therefore not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. Digest of the International Law of the United States
Secretaries of State Frelinghysen and Bayard are cabinet members of the Executive branch of the federal government.
Informed Consent, are you saying that the Executive Branch can make law?
Yes, it's my OPINION. Just like YOU have an OPINION about Wong and Ankeny.
The FACT is that Gray was in error on the topic of natural born English subject. That FACT is not my opinion. It's FACT. Historic FACT. Provable FACT.
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The United States does not owe protections to individuals who are living as citizens of other countries and who have simply failed to renounce their American citizenship.
The FACT is that Gray was in error on the topic of natural born English subject. That FACT is not my opinion. It's FACT. Historic FACT. Provable FACT.
No, it's your opinion, not fact.
Horace Gray was a Supreme Court Justice. His opinion carries the weight of law.
Your opinion, not so much.
The only two ways to override Justice Gray's opinion is to either win a Supreme Court decision that overrules Justice Gray or to pass a constitutional amendment that overrides his judgement.
The FACT is that Gray was in error on the topic of natural born English subject. That FACT is not my opinion. It's FACT. Historic FACT. Provable FACT. Since when? Cite the law.
You fail. That has nothing to do with UK birthright citizenship, but only with a one time change in British citizenship laws.
No. Says nothing about a change in law. Just states FACTS. One of them being that "Children who have automatically become a British subject do not need to register."
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As I pointed out earlier... even a US Citizen born on US soil to 2 US Citizen parents must prove their citizenship before they can access the benefits thereof.
Check out any voter registration application.
The only "proof" of citizenship required is a self-selected check box and a signature.
Contrast that with the 4 APPLICATION forms I posted for those wishing to APPLY for jus sanguinis Italian citizenship before they can access the benefits thereof.
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