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Old 09-19-2013, 10:15 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Again with the what ifs? I think even with guns the Jews would have been on the losing end of that fight. So it doesn't matter much if they were armed or not.
It maters with how many of the enemy you take with you. It matters when hitler would have to spend more man power with the jews making reducing resources to fight on the front lines.

Everything in war is connected.

 
Old 09-20-2013, 01:04 AM
 
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Easy....... Any other country.........
I'm talking about here in America
 
Old 09-20-2013, 03:00 AM
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Location: Florida
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Why is America going to devolve into the law of the jungle all of sudden? Black president makes ya nervous? I mean seriously..... we spent decades under threat of an actual nuclear war from USSR but somehow managed to keep law and order when nuclear armageddon was a very threat. All of sudden when this brown democrat becomes president.... We ARE NOW AT THE BRINK!
It probably isn't the race of the President as much as the fact that right-wingers are maniacally fearful about the fact that their preferences are embraced by progressively fewer people, and that they only maintain relevance today through deception of sycophants who they've duped into thinking their way, but who are actually harmed by antisocial right-wing policy as much as those who oppose the right-wing. There seems to be a nasty strain of entitlement mentality that affects right-wingers, an expectation that them being able to live the very best life they can grab at gunpoint should not be impeded by the reasonable encumbrances of being a member of a moral, humane society.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 06:53 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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It probably isn't the race of the President as much as the fact that right-wingers are maniacally fearful about the fact that their preferences are embraced by progressively fewer people, and that they only maintain relevance today through deception of sycophants who they've duped into thinking their way, but who are actually harmed by antisocial right-wing policy as much as those who oppose the right-wing. There seems to be a nasty strain of entitlement mentality that affects right-wingers, an expectation that them being able to live the very best life they can grab at gunpoint should not be impeded by the reasonable encumbrances of being a member of a moral, humane society.
Ummm....grab at gunpoint? Are you for real? Despite your attempt at eloquence this post shows a rank delusion of intellectual superiority, that would be comical, if, you didn't believe it to be true. You speak of people in stereotypes, and fit into one so neatly it boggles my poor, rural, mentallity.

If a disarmed citizenry meets such a high ,morality, would you explain how? Throughout history, when control of arms was granted to only tbe ruling class and their agents, average citizens, or subjects, if you will, were no more than slaves. Defended only at the whims of the aristocracy. Or, oppressed, at those same whims.

To blatantly ignore history is folly. Especially under the guise of moral superiority. Makes me wonder ic you might see yourself as part of a new, ruling, class. Such egotistical nonsense is usually indicative of delusions of grandeur.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It maters with how many of the enemy you take with you. It matters when hitler would have to spend more man power with the jews making reducing resources to fight on the front lines.

Everything in war is connected.
That is still all what ifs, who is to say the Jews would of been able to form a realistic uniformed military against the Nazis. We can speculate all day but that doesn't change the events of history.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 08:21 AM
 
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That is still all what ifs, who is to say the Jews would of been able to form a realistic uniformed military against the Nazis. We can speculate all day but that doesn't change the events of history.
Right, jews had their guns taken away and were then slaughtered in unprecedented numbers in one of the worst genocides of all time. Bcause jews had their guns taken away, they were not able to defend themselves.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Right, jews had their guns taken away and were then slaughtered in unprecedented numbers in one of the worst genocides of all time. Bcause jews had their guns taken away, they were not able to defend themselves.
Well you seem to be stuck on what ifs, do you think if the Jews were armed they could have created a rag tag militia and defeated the entire Nazi army? Also, it was only the ones in Germany that were affected by any gun law, the Jews outside of Germany could have been armed and still met the same fate.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Well you seem to be stuck on what ifs, do you think if the Jews were armed they could have created a rag tag militia and defeated the entire Nazi army? Also, it was only the ones in Germany that were affected by any gun law, the Jews outside of Germany could have been armed and still met the same fate.
Why is it hard for you to admit that someone defending their life with a gun is better than not?

Like I said, if the jews resisted, it would have helped at the front lines since more man power would have been needed for the jews.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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Right, jews had their guns taken away and were then slaughtered in unprecedented numbers in one of the worst genocides of all time. Bcause jews had their guns taken away, they were not able to defend themselves.
They ALLOWED themselves to be disarmed.

Just as most Jews in America are for gun control.

These things do not happen overnight, they are chipped away a little at a time.....most people are not students of history and only support things based on their "feelings" at the time.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Why is it hard for you to admit that someone defending their life with a gun is better than not?

Like I said, if the jews resisted, it would have helped at the front lines since more man power would have been needed for the jews.
Oh I agree it would have been better, though I don't think it would have mattered. Poland had actual armies and fell to the Nazis, as well as several other armies.
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