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Old 09-24-2013, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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How could banning international trade in weapons to keep weapons from terrorists be an issue.


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Secretary of State John Kerry will sign the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty
on Wednesday, the State Department confirmed, setting up a Senate showdown over
an international agreement many in Congress believe would usurp the Second
Amendment.

Fox News reports that a State Department official substantiated rumors of Kerry’s plan to sign the
treaty while in New York for a meeting of the U.N. General Assembly.

The agreement would regulate international trade in conventional weapons,
including small arms, in a bid to keep such equipment out of the hands of rogue
regimes and terrorist groups. One hundred fifty-three nations, including the
United States, voted in favor of the treaty during a U.N. vote last April.

But gun-rights activists have blasted the treaty as a threat to “the rights and privacy of American gun owners,” and Oklahoma Republican Sen. James Inhofe wrote to Kerry on Tuesday to accuse him of “wasting precious time trying to sign away our laws to the global community and unelected U.N. bureaucrats.”

Read more: Kerry set to sign 'gun-grabbing' UN treaty | The Daily Caller
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Old 09-24-2013, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Who knows, gun nuts are good at trying to make everything about them and their precious guns.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why exactly does Ihofe think this is an issue, is he in agreement with arms being sent to terrorist groups.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Sounds like the NRA has been doing their thing again.
Kerry can sign any treaty he wants, so can Obama for that matter. Unless Congress votes to approve it? It won't happen.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Who knows, gun nuts are good at trying to make everything about them and their precious guns.
Who knows, but that won't stop you from spewing an ignorant and uninformed opinion about it. You clearly don't understand the subject, and refuse to do even the most basic research into it.

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Signatories are encouraged to keep information on the "end users" of arms imported into their territory and supply such information to the exporting country. Exporting nations, nearly all of which have civilian firearm control regimes far harsher than the U.S., are encouraged to take the firearm control laws of an importing country into account before approving a transfer of arms. The treaty also encourages states to adopt domestic legislation to facilitate the treaty's onerous requirements.
That sounds like the beginnings of a national firearm registry, which historically has always preceded confiscation around the world. But I'm sure you still don't know why people who actually support the constitution would be against it and see no problem with the US government tracking US citizens and giving that information to foreign governments.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Who knows, but that won't stop you from spewing an ignorant and uninformed opinion about it. You clearly don't understand the subject, and refuse to do even the most basic research into it.



That sounds like the beginnings of a national firearm registry, which historically has always preceded confiscation around the world. But I'm sure you still don't know why people who actually support the constitution would be against it and see no problem with the US government tracking US citizens and giving that information to foreign governments.
Only to those who sit in fear that the government is gonna come and take away all your precious guns.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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You gun nuts really do see a conspiracy under every rock, don't you?

Here are facts about the treaty in case any non-nutjob wants to know what the treaty is actually about.

The Arms Trade Treaty - UN Office for Disarmament Affairs
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Old 09-24-2013, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Why exactly does Ihofe think this is an issue, is he in agreement with arms being sent to terrorist groups.
Inhofe doesn't think.
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Old 09-24-2013, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Sounds like the NRA has been doing their thing again.
Kerry can sign any treaty he wants, so can Obama for that matter. Unless Congress votes to approve it? It won't happen.
Senate would have to ratify the treaty by 2/3 vote, that will be difficult til more Dems get into Senate. Maybe with the Clinton election wave? At least this puts the treaty in the hopper for 2017 or so. Of course this goes against the gun and arms producers represented by the NRA. Lots of money in selling all sorts of weaponry to gun nuts and terrorists all over the world. Being limited to just hunting type 50cal rifles and AR15 type Assault weapons. the gun nuts here are just a small piece of the pie. Yep, NRA has a lot of lobbying income resting on the international trade side of their business.
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Old 09-24-2013, 09:35 PM
 
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Only governments should have guns, just as the N.Koreans, Chinese...
Oh and the rebels our government decides to arm too.
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