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Old 09-26-2013, 02:43 PM
 
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This is very wrong. The fine is for people who don't have insurance. To induce them to get insurance.
Notice you did not quote my entire post... because you knew it would prove my point.

How do you induce people to get insurance when the fine is LESS than the insurance?

If you made your statement in 2016, you would be accurate. But by then, the goal is for government to be the last man standing in the insurance realm.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:46 PM
 
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Notice you did not quote my entire post... because you knew it would prove my point.

How do you induce people to get insurance when the fine is LESS than the insurance?

If you made your statement in 2016, you would be accurate. But by then, the goal is for government to be the last man standing in the insurance realm.

I addressed the point I wanted. You are incorrect. People who have insurance will not pay a fine. This is objective reality.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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What subsidy would that be?



Why should they? Why should everyone else be robbed for their convenience?

The ignorance. SMH

The federal government supports the provision of employee health benefits through preferential tax provisions in the Internal Revenue Code. Health benefits are tax-exempt; the value of the benefit is excluded from the determination of the employee's taxable income.[1] The employer's health care contribution is a deductible business cost similar to wages and materials.

The employer health benefit exclusion affects payroll or FICA taxes. The value of the health benefit is excludable from both the employer and employee portions of the payroll tax.

The U.S. Department of Treasury estimates the tax expenditures for the employer health benefit exclusion and other employer-related health benefits to be $132.6 billion in 2006, making the exclusion the single largest tax expenditure in the federal budget.

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Old 09-26-2013, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Health insurance companies would be prohibited from denying coverage because of a pre-existing condition, or from charging higher premiums because of current or past health problems, gender or occupation. The rules also would ensure access to catastrophic coverage plans for young adults and others who could not afford coverage otherwise.

Is this true?

The point is people without insurance, who have not paid into the risk pool, can't be denied coverage. How do insurance companies deal with this?
This began with an opinion that ACA will not deny claims. That's not the same thing as allowing people with preexisting conditions to buy insurance.

People who have been fortunate enough to be employed by employers who provide subsidized group health insurance were generally not denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Some states required a waiting time and some not so much.

People with individual policies and serious diagnosis often found themselves, in most states, in a position of being denied the ability to renew their insurance or buy insurance from another carrier. Such people may have been paying premiums for decades and found themselves uninsured once the going got tough.

There is no question that the inclusion of people with pre-existing conditions into new pools is a factor of the cost, no different than it is today for employer sponsored group health insurance or Medicare/Medicaid, for that matter.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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Why should they? Why should everyone else be robbed for their convenience?

Because those who get employer provided health insurance are getting the same kind of subsidies are thus using your illogic robbing and stealing from them.

So why shouldn't the uninsured get the same subsidies as those who get insurance through their employers are receiving?
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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Obama lies about everything. He directed his people to call it a tax or a fine, which ever one was expedient at the moment.
Opinions are not facts.

Do you really think a president, any president, gets that deep into the weeds?
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:56 PM
 
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An excellent explanation, but I would point out that private employers who are "dropping" coverage like Walgreens are not doing the same as Congress. Those employers are sending employees to private exchanges and not the public exchanges that open up on Tuesday. They are still providing employee insurance but they are doing it through a non-traditional way by having employees go to a third party broker and pick out the policy they want. The company then pays the fees in accordance with their employment policies and the requirements, if any, of the ACA.
This is true and an excellent add on to this thread.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:57 PM
 
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The point of the ACA was to steal money from those who have it to provide services to those who don't, and for the politicians to claim they're the ones who provided it out of the kindness of their hearts.

Oh, and the other purpose was to give political hands more control over vast flows of money so it can be siphoned off to the political cronies.

NO OTHER PURPOSE FOR IT EXISTS. Especially NOT your nonsense above.
Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Opinions are not facts.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:58 PM
 
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I addressed the point I wanted. You are incorrect. People who have insurance will not pay a fine. This is objective reality.
I never said people who have insurance would pay a fine. Put you reading ears on.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:03 PM
 
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The point of the ACA was to steal money from those who have it to provide services to those who don't, and for the politicians to claim they're the ones who provided it out of the kindness of their hearts.

Oh, and the other purpose was to give political hands more control over vast flows of money so it can be siphoned off to the political cronies.

NO OTHER PURPOSE FOR IT EXISTS. Especially NOT your nonsense above.
Bingo.
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