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Not sure what you are trying to say, but in terms of economic growth, a Capitalist / Conservative / Limited Government economy is far superior to a Socialist / Big Govt economy. That's not even a debate. How far we are willing to go on the social costs -- that is the issue.
I am not trying to say anything. In this nation the poorest regions in this nation tend to be the most conservative. To me this speaks very badly for conservative governance.
Go look up the poorest states, with the least educated citizens, and the most people in poverty, etc and again the southern states which are some of the most conservatives states leads the way in nearly every negative stat.
This is just not the truth, look around the world many of the largest economies in the world have interventionist governments. You believe a fantasy.
thats why people and businesses are leaving in droves.
And its not because of conservatism.
Again, California is by far the most populous state in America. It has the nation's largest economy and many of the largest corporations.
Sadly, when one looks at the region where the conservatism dominates, there tends to be a lot of poverty in those states. I wish that weren't true, but it is true.
I don't think much of conservative ideology. I think conservatism as practiced in America is a backlash political ideology that was founded in opposition to the great human rights struggles in this nation, the labor movement, civil rights movement, and the women's rights movement.
I used to watch Bill Maher, then I realized something, he is the worst kind of elitist. It is one thing to make fun of rich dumb conservatives, but imo too frequently he attacks economically poor conservatives in a very elitist and unfair manner. He badly caricatures their beliefs.
He has this big platform and he should not trash and denigrate economically poor conservatives. It is disappointing.
In terms of California, and conservative governance, I agree that conservative governance is too rigid, too stuck, ignorant, and inflexible, and that conservatives public policy targets for punishment certain groups of people in ways that hurt everyone economically.
None of those things leads to economic growth, now yes Texas is booming but that is because of energy, but overall Texas unfortunately is a poor state with a lot of poor citizens. Sadly again the most conservative region in this nation, The south also tends to be the poorest. To me that reflects very poorly on conservatism.
California has a dynamic economy, it is amazing the most diverse economy by far in this nation. I wouldn't say that is because of liberalism.
That is very well said, and there is little I can disagree with, but just a reminder that Maher is still a comedian, and his platform is to entertain to those who watch his show, and conservatives are not going to like his humor.
And, they provide a target rich environment for all comedians. So his observations are not geared towards inclusiveness, they are geared towards getting laughs. And he is wickedly good at doing this, but not good enough I'm shelling out $17.99 a month to hear it.
Two things that I can refute right off the top of my head: Europe has plenty of beggars in the street (accompanied by their children, which doesn't happen here) and based on the few airport that I have been to so far (Schiphol in Amsterdam, Copenhagen, CDG in Paris) their airports are absolutely nothing to brag about. In fact, Copenhagen's and Amsterdam's are terrible!
I am not trying to say anything. In this nation the poorest regions in this nation tend to be the most conservative. To me this speaks very badly for conservative governance.
Go look up the poorest states, with the least educated citizens, and the most people in poverty, etc and again the southern states which are some of the most conservatives states leads the way in nearly every negative stat.
This is just not the truth, look around the world many of the largest economies in the world have interventionist governments. You believe a fantasy.
yup. those are the black states. are you saying you are not a fan of black people? because if you are calling out the black states for being poor and uneducated, you obviously don't hold them in a high regard.
That is very well said, and there is little I can disagree with, but just a reminder that Maher is still a comedian, and his platform is to entertain to those who watch his show, and conservatives are not going to like his humor.
And, they provide a target rich environment for all comedians. So his observations are not geared towards inclusiveness, they are geared towards getting laughs. And he is wickedly good at doing this, but not good enough I'm shelling out $17.99 a month to hear it.
you waste money to listen to an unfunny idiot on pay cable? sad.
I am not trying to say anything. In this nation the poorest regions in this nation tend to be the most conservative. To me this speaks very badly for conservative governance.
Go look up the poorest states, with the least educated citizens, and the most people in poverty, etc and again the southern states which are some of the most conservatives states leads the way in nearly every negative stat.
The Southern States have been historically the least developed states throughout the Industrial Period / in the last 200 years. The North developed a lot more, and definitely not due to Govt, but lack of precisely. Do you even know what you are talking about?
Secondly, since the governance has been turned upside down, it is the Southern States who have higher economic growth than the Northern States in the last decade. Detroit for example is in ruins because automakers moved production offshore, while the South got new production facilities from Japanese and Germans. Aerospace is another example.
Let's stick with CA. CA percentage of National GDP has declined while Texas's for example is increasing. I provided a link to that.
It takes decades for social and cultural changes to trail economic changes. Although as a country we are the most developed in the world, yet aristocracy in London still views Manhattan elites as peasants and unsophisticated. They are not wrong. Western countries have societies that have developed and progressed for thousands of years, and you want changes overnight?
In terms of looking up things -- have you ever read anything? Even a simple Wikipedia article about growth?
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This is just not the truth, look around the world many of the largest economies in the world have interventionist governments. You believe a fantasy.
Again, what are you talking about? We are the largest and most productive economy in the world. 2nd economy is not even close.
About "interventionist" I'll give you an example. Sweden. Sweden really accelerated transformation of its economy into a socialist one in the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s. It pushed Government control, often Govt ownership, centralization, etc etc. By mid 1970s Swedish economy was stagnant and worse. Starting in the late 70s, during the 80s and 90s Sweden went the other direction -- it privatized many enterprises, it pulled back regulations, it reduced taxes, it fostered competition. Typical conservative moves.
Economy boomed and today Sweden's economy is one of the most competitive in the world. Sweden also has one of the highest Wealth Disparities. It is even higher than Canada's, which is higher than US.
Oh, and California doesn't have one of the largest economies in the nation--it has the largest one.
It takes up two thirds of one of America's coasts. If it didn't have the largest single economy in the nation, there would be something seriously wrong.
That is very well said, and there is little I can disagree with, but just a reminder that Maher is still a comedian, and his platform is to entertain to those who watch his show, and conservatives are not going to like his humor.
And, they provide a target rich environment for all comedians. So his observations are not geared towards inclusiveness, they are geared towards getting laughs. And he is wickedly good at doing this, but not good enough I'm shelling out $17.99 a month to hear it.
Hey I am not on a crusade against the man.
I was just expressing my opinion about what he does sometimes.
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