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Old 12-29-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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Well that's interesting to say the least. Your leaders act on your behalf but you get to claim immunity from their decisions that temporarily served to fatten your wallet but whose chickens are now coming home to roost.

YOU voted for 'em; YOU own their fallout.
It is all smoke and mirrors BruSan.
The propaganda machine has been alive and well in this country in at least the last 5 presidential elections.
Any Candidate not supporting the status quo was poo poo'd as being crazy ---> Ross Perot and Ron Paul come to mind.

When Bush Senior gave his speech about the New World Order, this is what he was referencing.
A Global World Order controlled by Multi-National Corporations and Banks rather than by representative Governments.


George Bush Sr. New World Order Live Speech Sept 11 1991 - YouTube

Their Globalist Utopia where they get to pick the winners and loosers.

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We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. … It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.
They are not Nationalists nor Patriots but Globalist Fascists.

They pretty much are doing what they want to do, Constitution be Damned and those pesky rights to protest what they are doing no longer exist either. They can't be bothered by those pesky protesters when they are carrying on their ill gotten self determined agenda.

http://communities.washingtontimes.c...y-so-publicly/


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The First Amendment to our Constitution guarantees us the rights of free speech and assembly. A fundamental purpose of our free speech guarantee is to invite dispute. Protests can and have been the catalyst for positive change. Thus while we despise that protestors can burn our flag as protected political speech, and we hate that Neo-Nazis can march down our streets, we recognize the rights of these groups to do what they do and we send our troops across the world to fight for these rights.

Last year’s “occupy movement” scared the government. On March 8, President Obama signed a law that makes protesting more difficult and more criminal. The law is titled the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act, and it passed unanimously in the Senate and with only three “no” votes in the House. It was called the “Trepass Bill” by Congress and the “anti-Occupy law” by everyone else who commented.

The law “improves” public grounds by forcing people - protestors - elsewhere. It amends an older law that made it a federal crime to “willfully and knowingly” enter a restricted space. Now you will be found guilty of this offense if you simply “knowingly” enter a restricted area, even if you did not know it was illegal to do so. The Department of Homeland Security can designate an event as one of “national significance,” making protests or demonstrations near the event illegal.

The law makes it punishable by up to ten years in jail to protest anywhere the Secret Service “is or will be temporarily visiting,” or anywhere they might be guarding someone. Does the name Secret tell you anything about your chances of knowing where they are? The law allows for conviction if you are “disorderly or disruptive,” or if you “impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions.” You can no longer heckle or “boo” at a political candidate’s speech, as that would be disruptive.



What would the Founding Father's say about all this?

It passed in flying colors by "Both Parties" We do not have a representative government.

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Old 12-29-2013, 04:47 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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notice the GLOBALIST theme
Same thing happens in Europe, they are telling people it is more important to be a European than a French, German, or whatever, as if nations were the problem...

It is always about the socioeconomic elites and the politicians bought by them, while the people of this world usually don't have anything against each other. The average citizens of any two countries on this planet get along better than a citizen of any country with his or her own government and other elites in that country.

Trading blocks usually benefit only one side, while the other suffers. After all, demand does not increase, it is the same people living in such a block, who could already buy before whatever they needed and could afford.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:40 PM
 
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Good discussion on the TPP.

[vimeo]78324869[/vimeo]
Yves Smith and Dean Baker on Secrets in Trade on Vimeo
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:50 PM
 
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Good discussion on the TPP.

[vimeo]78324869[/vimeo]
[vimeo]78324869[/vimeo]
Yves Smith and Dean Baker on Secrets in Trade on Vimeo
Thanks for sharing
Excellent Summary of TPP from this video

- Selecting Winners among the Industries
- Agreement has Anti Free Market Policies
- Propping up Prices
- Taking the Power Away from the Consumer
- Nation Based Laws subordinate to Foreign Entities
- It is Not a Trade Agreement at all but a gift to Global Corporations and Banks with no rights to the people
- Past Trade Agreements have not created jobs in America as they have said it would in the past.
- Ross Perot telling I told you so
- Income Transfer from the bottom to the top
- Proper response to American's is more Propaganda
- All Politicians are on board for it. There is no partisan divide.

Basically it is another step toward's Tyranny by Fascists

David Rockefeller

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The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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What the world is experiencing now by these free trade agreements ( Ultra-Imperialism ) was predicted over 100 years ago but the timeline for the prediction to occur was around WWI. The nations at the time were in an antagonistic competition for colonies to exploit therefore they didn't have the unity for it to succeed. The Cold War and the fall of the Soviet bloc of nations have permitted the advanced 1st world nations to united and jointly exploit the underdeveloped world. This coalition of advanced 1st world nations has allowed the political unity necessary to effectively avoid competition and conflict that generally lead to war. Places that still has a threat of conflict is Russia vs USA and the West over the resources of the former Soviet republics in the Caucasus region, Russia vs the EU over the Ukraine , Belarus, etc. And lastly China vs the USA over resources in Africa.

It doesn't matter if a Democrat or Republican is in charge because the super profits generated by colonial exploitation of the underdeveloped world allows the multinational cartels to bribe politicians to govern according to the multinationals best interests. That is why when Democrats were in control of executive and legislative bodies of government not any free trade agreements were repealed and when Republicans took over Congress in 2010 they united with Obama (which they rarely do) to pass more free trade agreements.

These super profits permitted the business cartels to offer cheap manufactured goods ( TVs, home computers, Walmart items ) as for the workers negatively affected by these policies to mistakenly think they were receiving enough benefits to offset the loss of income. These super profits also allowed multinationals to pay its employees high salaries as to allow these people of the developed nations to have a high and comfortable standard of living. Not affected negatively by these free trade agreements and satisfied with their living conditions the upper middle class had no interest in ending the status quo and uniting with displaced workers to end these economically exploitative arrangements with the underdeveloped world. Now most cities are experiencing the result of these policies, people with high enough income able to enjoy a comfortable standard of living and people with low income living with an impoverished standard of living.

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Old 12-29-2013, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Get an education.



I agree that the Democratic party has not done enough to reverse this, but seriously, get some facts before you post mindless crap.



OK!

Clinton Signs China Trade Bill into Law - ABC News






President Bill Clinton - Remarks on the Signing of NAFTA - YouTube
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:21 PM
 
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Well that's interesting to say the least. Your leaders act on your behalf but you get to claim immunity from their decisions that temporarily served to fatten your wallet but whose chickens are now coming home to roost.

YOU voted for 'em; YOU own their fallout.

Voting for the haircut and glib speaker hasn't worked in over 40 years but yet you still insist on doing just that. Those guys are easily bought but yet you vote for them time and again. Find one with a moral compass and ethical underpinnings and vote for him and we'll ALL forgive his occasional error in judgment.

Keep voting for the empty suits and you own it, no one else.
Heard no one claim someone was their leader or anything about immunity. Acting on other's behalf. Seriously? They act on their own behalf. Laughing all the way to the bank.

You have no idea who voted for whom or how they got in office.
The same people reading all the emails are running the voting machines. Every part of the system is owned.
Do you somehow think people don't have to live with consequences every day?
You seem to have quite the story there. Suggest you own it rather than project it on whomever suits you.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:42 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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What the world is experiencing now by these free trade agreements ( Ultra-Imperialism ) was predicted over 100 years ago but the timeline for the prediction to occur was around WWI. The nations at the time were in an antagonistic competition for colonies to exploit therefore they didn't have the unity for it to succeed. The Cold War and the fall of the Soviet bloc of nations have permitted the advanced 1st world nations to united and jointly exploit the underdeveloped world. This coalition of advanced 1st world nations has allowed the political unity necessary to effectively avoid competition and conflict that generally lead to war. Places that still has a threat of conflict is Russia vs USA and the West over the resources of the former Soviet republics in the Caucasus region, Russia vs the EU over the Ukraine , Belarus, etc. And lastly China vs the USA over resources in Africa.

It doesn't matter if a Democrat or Republican is in charge because the super profits generated by colonial exploitation of the underdeveloped world allows the multinational cartels to bribe politicians to govern according to the multinationals best interests. That is why when Democrats were in control of executive and legislative bodies of government not any free trade agreements were repealed and when Republicans took over Congress in 2010 they united with Obama (which they rarely do) to pass more free trade agreements.

These super profits permitted the business cartels to offer cheap manufactured goods ( TVs, home computers, Walmart items ) as for the workers negatively affected by these policies to mistakenly think they were receiving enough benefits to offset the loss of income. These super profits also allowed multinationals to pay its employees high salaries as to allow these people of the developed nations to have a high and comfortable standard of living. Not affected negatively by these free trade agreements and satisfied with their living conditions the upper middle class had no interest in ending the status quo and uniting with displaced workers to end these economically exploitative arrangements with the underdeveloped world. Now most cities are experiencing the result of these policies, people with high enough income able to enjoy a comfortable standard of living and people with low income living with an impoverished standard of living.
Interesting aspects.
One thing this exploitation shows again is that humans get greedier the more they already have. In the West we already have much more than we need and deserve, yet we keep ripping off the rest of the world and creating a climate of potential world wars because of our lack of wisdom, morals and decency.

Just read this, fits...
http://www.theguardian.com/global-de...pean-austerity

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Old 12-30-2013, 02:55 PM
 
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Heard no one claim someone was their leader or anything about immunity. Acting on other's behalf. Seriously? They act on their own behalf. Laughing all the way to the bank.

You have no idea who voted for whom or how they got in office.
The same people reading all the emails are running the voting machines. Every part of the system is owned.
Do you somehow think people don't have to live with consequences every day?
You seem to have quite the story there. Suggest you own it rather than project it on whomever suits you.
QWhy should I own it. You're the voting populace of the U.S. who put these guys into office. that's the only way they get there. You seem to have some disconnect working for you that allows you to put them in and then repeat rinse repeat with a whole row of empty suits all selling you out to corporate interests.

You still can't recognize chit from shinola but want to be immune from responsibility when one of these azzhats the majority of you put in office sells you out. How about you grow a pair and take responsibility for these transparent crooks you elect with your dangling chads.
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Old 12-30-2013, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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Interesting aspects.
One thing this exploitation shows again is that humans get greedier the more they already have. In the West we already have much more than we need and deserve, yet we keep ripping off the rest of the world and creating a climate of potential world wars because of our lack of wisdom, morals and decency.

Just read this, fits...
Susan George on the secret capitalist cabal behind European austerity | Global development | theguardian.com
I should add the upper middle class won't united with the wage laborers in demanding these free trade agreements be stopped and repealed unless their jobs and income are threatened downward by H-1B visa workers.

To sum it up is that there is a lot of money to be made by multinational corporations by having access to an almost unlimited supply of cheap labor and cheap raw resources to fuel their industries. The agribusiness monopolies wants access to the underdeveloped nations markets so as to swell their profits. Wall Street needs new sources of income and most countries in Europe provides that opportunity for the Financial sector to gain control of public assets such as roads, parking meters, utilities, state pensions, water, etc through the process of privatization.

The last two world wars was about which empires was going to be the shot callers in their sphere of influence. Germany wanted to exploit Russia for its natural resources, Italy wanted North Africa and the Middle East , and lastly Japan wanted to dominate Asia and the Pacific for its resources. This put them on a collision course with the British Empire, The United States, China and the Soviet Union. The United States and the Soviet Union emerged from the conflict as the dominant powers of the world and when the Soviet Union collapsed the United States and its industry cartels became the leader of the world wide coalition of advanced nations jointly united to effect the colonial exploitation of the underdeveloped nations.
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