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I guess you and your enlightened conservative brethren should be fighting against Medicare because Medicare is a single payer program.
Not only is Medicare Single Payer, but non-wonk Paul Ryan in the infamous "Ryan Plan" wants to go backwards and switch Medicare recipients to an insurance exchange system, just like the one used in The ACA.
This is why it is hard to debate right-wingers. You can't even agree with definitions that everyone else in the real world agrees with.
Single payer means government pay for ALL health care costs...
They clearly dont.. not even with medicare do they. Many with medicare have private insurance as well.. You can stand there and look like a fool posting that other people are also wrong, but thats not really my problem that you dont even know what words mean you use.
Not only is Medicare Single Payer, but non-wonk Paul Ryan in the infamous "Ryan Plan" wants to go backwards and switch Medicare recipients to an insurance exchange system, just like the one used in The ACA.
Interesting isn't it?
Another lefty who's never heard of medigap, or medicare supplimental insurance policies.
No, because the only "evidence" is a word salad of random conjectures without anything to back it up. I believe what can be proven to be true, and I certainly don't believe what cannot be proven completely false. Any more then I believe in the loch ness monster, bigfoot, or invisible pink unicorns.
Even if he did, it doesn't mean that Obamacare is a false flag that is intended to fail and bring about single payer. That needs evidence as well. Not just babbling about conspiracies.
Even if you could prove the other true, I would be incredibly pissed about the huge waste of resources and not the end result that single payer is bad. Every other devloped country in the world has single payer that is cheaper, and produces better outcomes, than the US system. I've already provided the evidence for that, and there are more studies out there. You haven't shown how it's awful besides more conspiracies and babble.
I provided the video on post #10 for you. ObamaCare is the transitional program towards single payer. And like I mentioned in the OP - this is a huge waste of resources and you should be pissed.
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Originally Posted by EmeraldCityWanderer
Can you show studies where that has worked?
There is a reason why every developed country has health insurance, and in poor countries where if you can't pay cash then they let you die. It's because it works. Even if it's a pain in the butt, and we wish it could be cheaper and easier, the reality is different than pulling policy out of ones butt and saying it works just because.
No country has had economic freedom like we have had on such a wide scale - so it's hard to bring up another example.
But I will say this - right now, people are not the customers for health care providers. The customers are government (Medicare/caid) or insurance companies. Both of these entities have deep pockets - so it makes it easy to inflate prices.
Health care providers could not charge the current costs to the public, because they would all go out of business. A small percentage of people could afford to pay. Prices would have to come down in order to service the consumers. Take note of doctors who are removing themselves from any involvement with insurance or government. The deal directly with the customer. Prices are much more affordable.
No, medicare is a welfare program, with services contracted out to the lowest bidder..
No, it is insurance paid for by those who work, called FICA "Federal Insurance Contributions Act" yes, you contribute to it, if you don't no medicare for you. Those insurance companies who participate, play. Soon they all will.
Please post the link to this single payer bill by the Democrats that Republicans objected. You saying it over and over and over again, doesnt make it true. It just showed the mental illness that most left wingers suffer from.
It never made it onto the ACA bill during the negotiations of ACA. I thought you knew this.
It never made it onto the ACA bill during the negotiations of ACA. I thought you knew this.
So what you said was a lie.. I knew that already
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Originally Posted by jmking
No, it is insurance paid for by those who work, called FICA "Federal Insurance Contributions Act" yes, you contribute to it, if you don't no medicare for you. Those insurance companies who participate, play. Soon they all will.
Medicare tax revenues total about $210 Billion a year, with expenses being about $530 Billion a year.. There are lots who collect that dont pay into it..
Single payer means government pay for ALL health care costs...
They clearly dont.. not even with medicare do they. Many with medicare have private insurance as well.. You can stand there and look like a fool posting that other people are also wrong, but thats not really my problem that you dont even know what words mean you use.
That may be true in Great Briton, but most modern countries its a hybrid of both public and private. Public as a basic care, for-profit supplemental plans are greatly encouraged at controlled costs to the public. Just like medicare.
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