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Old 11-05-2013, 05:13 PM
 
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The fraud is going to be epic:

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Agents at the Federal Bureau of Investigation tell FOX Business that "the potential for crime in health reform is huge," and that the FBI does “expect health-care fraud to rise after health reform,” as estimates show tax credit fraud in health reform could surpass $20 billion a year.

However, taxpayers who “negligently” obtain tax credits on the exchanges could get slapped with a penalty of as much as $25,000, plus must fork over unlawful subsidies when they file their taxes. If they knowingly and willfully committed fraud, the penalty rises to $250,000...
more: FBI Gears Up As Nearly 17M Poised to Get ObamaCare Tax Credits | Fox Business
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Old 11-05-2013, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Hard working, god fearing Americans committing tax fraud. Imagine that.

Being a looky-loo I registered with my state exchange. I did not provide a SS# and was taken though an impressive verification process. It was quickly apparent, the intelligence behind the website knew exactly who I was by name/address ( former addresses going back 12 years) and informed me I did not qualify for a subsidy, which I do not. There is an interaction with the IRS, Social Security and at least one credit rating agency.

No system anywhere is fraud-proof.
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Old 11-05-2013, 05:34 PM
 
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Especially when stuff IS BEING FORCED ON PEOPLE!!
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:00 PM
 
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It won't be your 'average american' committing this fraud.

It'll be organized like the crime rings that collect tax refunds with stolen identities. Or the mass submission of fraudulent tax forms claiming dozens of children to get a big tax refund.

Just multiply it by six.
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It won't be your 'average american' committing this fraud.

It'll be organized like the crime rings that collect tax refunds with stolen identities. Or the mass submission of fraudulent tax forms claiming dozens of children to get a big tax refund.

Just multiply it by six.
Like all those first time homebuyer checks that went to prisons all over the US
And no one in the government even thought to question a prison address ?
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:47 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I am sure dead folks will get subsidies too
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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It won't be your 'average american' committing this fraud.

It'll be organized like the crime rings that collect tax refunds with stolen identities. Or the mass submission of fraudulent tax forms claiming dozens of children to get a big tax refund.

Just multiply it by six.
And while the stolen identities and such will happen I'm sure... what scares me even more is the pure fraud that will happen legally! You just know that it isn't going to take long for folks to learn how to legally circumvent and bend the rules to their advantage.

The left continually gripe and ***** about corporations not paying their fair share. But.. most corporations do not do anything illegal... they work within the boundaries of the law. How many of these same lefties (and righties for that matter) are going to do the exact same thing here as soon as they can?

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Old 11-05-2013, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Hard working, god fearing Americans committing tax fraud. Imagine that.

Being a looky-loo I registered with my state exchange. I did not provide a SS# and was taken though an impressive verification process. It was quickly apparent, the intelligence behind the website knew exactly who I was by name/address ( former addresses going back 12 years) and informed me I did not qualify for a subsidy, which I do not. There is an interaction with the IRS, Social Security and at least one credit rating agency.

No system anywhere is fraud-proof.
I think the worry is that fraud will be very high, because government programs are not policed very well.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:32 PM
 
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Hard working, god fearing Americans committing tax fraud. Imagine that.

Being a looky-loo I registered with my state exchange. I did not provide a SS# and was taken though an impressive verification process. It was quickly apparent, the intelligence behind the website knew exactly who I was by name/address ( former addresses going back 12 years) and informed me I did not qualify for a subsidy, which I do not. There is an interaction with the IRS, Social Security and at least one credit rating agency.

No system anywhere is fraud-proof.
^^^^ Reads exactly like those "paid reviewers" who get paid to write stuff they know nothing about.

I'll bet that's how this person makes their money. Everything she writes is exactly like that. All fake sincerity.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:42 PM
 
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You have to think of how that is defined. That term can be stretched. Need to prove what you did or did not fill out and how it got there. Definitely want to save copies of what you fill out. Always a good practice anyway. Especially, given all the problems they have had.
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