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Old 11-13-2013, 05:49 PM
 
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No, you didn't. Even Obama disagrees with you. Watch the YouTube video again. Obama equates higher education levels with higher income levels.
Some day Im going to point back to this link and show that you believe Obama is a good way to provide data to prove a point. Do you REALLY want to continue here?

So lets hit the graphic. So yes by a 51 to 44% those making OVER 75K polled for Obama. 3 months prior to that poll it was 49 to 46%....favoring ROMNEY. They went neck and neck all the way. So you post a graphic that 3 months prior would have looked different....and represent it as covering all of reality. Uhmmm OK. It doesnt take into affect who votes, who the candidates are, or anything else.

So go back 3 months, use that graphic....and you can flip it the other way. Nice!

Now can you go and use some real data to back yourself up, or shall you just admit that you are wrong?
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:58 PM
 
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Only if all of them felt that way.

Funny thing is this is interesting to me because a larger and larger % of people have a strong belief that a guarenteed income and higher taxation are the way to go.

In fact....56% of Republicans believe we need a smaller defense budget.....

LOTS of things have people having firm beliefs.
yet our defense budget is smaller now than it was 30 years ago
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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yet our defense budget is smaller now than it was 30 years ago
LOL, uhmmm no.

Seriously. you've probably said this for a while, it was true a year ago, but not now. in fact, its 5X what it was (adjusted for inflation) in 1945 after the war. Now maybe you are referring to it as a % of our GDP? Then...yeah theres a point in 1985ish or so where thats true...but mostly no.

Heres some information on it in graphs:
America’s staggering defense budget, in charts
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:27 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Some day Im going to point back to this link and show that you believe Obama is a good way to provide data to prove a point.
Are you saying Obama isn't believable?

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So lets hit the graphic. So yes by a 51 to 44% those making OVER 75K polled for Obama.
No.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt...0vs%20Vote.png

Last edited by CaseyB; 11-18-2013 at 10:24 AM.. Reason: copyright violation
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:30 PM
 
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Are you saying Obama isn't believable?

No.
No Im sayign I dont use a politicians speech to determine facts.

Even better....go read the small print on your graph. LOL. Thats awesome.

Last edited by greywar; 11-13-2013 at 06:31 PM.. Reason: determine fact....not determine things. sigh
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:39 PM
 
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Even better....go read the small print on your graph. LOL. Thats awesome.
What are you missing? Your claim that "by a 51 to 44% those making OVER 75K polled for Obama" is wrong.
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:42 PM
 
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What are you missing? Your claim that "by a 51 to 44% those making OVER 75K polled for Obama" is wrong.
"Those surveyed were employed and predominately college educated" Remember this is you associating education with income and then voting. Sigh. if its "predominately" college educated it means theres no relationship between education and income associated in this graph thats showing voting patterns.

I don't feel the need to contradict you further, you're grasping at straws and distracting from the primary discussion.
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:44 PM
 
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They never had a stake in the game. The government did. It needs to be structured so that the business has a financial reason to keep the river or lake clean.
So, you're saying that business does not care about anything but the money. And if polluting a river that affects many helps them profit more, then they should be able to unless some financial reason stops them.

So in essence, these people really are evil. Thanks for clarifying.
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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"Those surveyed were employed and predominately college educated" Remember this is you associating education with income and then voting. Sigh. if its "predominately" college educated it means theres no relationship between education and income associated in this graph thats showing voting patterns.
If there were no association, there would be no need to break the info out by income level. It's true that those with advanced degrees earn more than those with bachelor's degrees. It's clear from the graphic that higher credentialed and therefore higher earning individuals polled for Romney.

Earnings and unemployment rates by educational attainment
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Old 11-13-2013, 07:00 PM
 
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News for you, Obama is not rich, he's not poor, but he's not rich.
LOL

Just because Michelle Obama talked at the DNC about not being able to pay bills and make tough choices...you could tell that she could feel your middle class hardships...and by extension Obama could....

You realize at the time of her story she was living in a gated community, in a house valued at over a million dollars, with 2 ivy league educated people...a bill of goods she sold to you if you think Obama is middle class.

12 million net worth as of 2010 is rich.

If this was a discussion about who should get taxed more and no one mentioned Obama...you would say a net worth of 12 million is rich. You'd probably say half of that was rich. You seriously want to frame Obama is not rich? Do you realize that he is set for life...his speaking fee in retirement will be ~250,000.
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