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Originally Posted by KUchief25
I never said liberals were mad. Where do you get that from?? Of course Reagan is a bully in liberal terms. He was a great leader not a patsy like your hero. You don't understand because you are brainwashed by the media. I don't blame you.
Are you really that clueless?
You stated "Liberals are still mad"
And NOW you claim "I never said liberals were mad"
Do you even remotely have a clue of what you write before you hit 'submit'?
Perhaps you should try munching on your " liberals this liberals that " sour grapes before they ferment.
I remember it very well. I also remember East Germany with it's barb wire and guns pointing IN at the borders to keep the people IN. I remember how it was a steady stream of people who planned, plotted, and desperately tried (mostly died) trying to find a way to escape their country, but were shot dead, often within a few feet of freedom.
I sat in the audience of more than one person who was a target of Hitler's death machine. Of people who survived WWII and learned to know what kind of hate and mentality was on the other side...
And those were formative in why and how ** I ** value freedom more than handouts, gilded cages, or promises of someone else's labors for my benefit.
Yup, they wanted us to stop the arms race, to sign agreements that favored the USSR's military might, to stop confronting them in their expansionist ideologically driven conquests... Yes, liberals thought they were good and we were bad.
Reagan had nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with that wall coming down. Communism would still be alive and well today throughout the Eastern Bloc had it not been for Mikhail Gorbachev tearing down the Brezhnev Doctrine, and empowering his successor Boris Yeltsin by establishing a new legislature partially elected through the popular vote. He systematically -- and unintentionally, his intention was to reform communism, not disband it -- weakened the USSR's influence over itself and its satellite states.
The Soviet Union had the absolute ability to crush each and every revolution of 1989. It chose not to, as Gorbachev believed there could be a more open, modern Communism. His failure to act enabled these revolutions, not anything Reagan did or said.
Your absurd revisionism is easily refuted by one simple data point. When Reagan started talking about SDI, AKA 'Star Wars,' (an idea that Reagan himself proposed after watching a talk by physicist Edward Teller) Gorbachev reacted with alarm and loathing. US liberaldom reacted with contempt and loathing. Ted Kennedy coined the 'Star Wars' sobriquet in an effort to belittle the idea. It didn't really work--Star Wars had been one of the most popular movies of all time. GORBACHEV, DEMANDING CHANGE ON 'STAR WARS,' BARS SUMMIT TALK NOW - NYTimes.com
I recall as a young naïve college student being puzzled at this juxtaposition. US liberal academia trotted out one egghead expert after another to scoff at 'Star Wars,' and to explain why it could never work. At the same time Gorby was frantically trying to nix the program. He spent most of his time at the Geneva summit trying to get Reagan to drop it. At Reykjavik, Gorby tried to get Reagan to agree to confining SDI research to lab-only, which he thought would effectively kill it.
Yup, they wanted us to stop the arms race, to sign agreements that favored the USSR's military might, to stop confronting them in their expansionist ideologically driven conquests... Yes, liberals thought they were good and we were bad.
I know, I remember it VERY well.
Nah. Liberals believe in equality and treating people humanely. They don't believe in communism or any other tyrannical form of government.
Sorry but you're wrong.
It was a good line, but that the speech didn't cause the wall to be torn down.
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