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Because no other country has EVER made a single payer healthcare system work, right?
No, they have not. In every case, they ALL have very serious administrative, budgetary, or mission creep issues which have very serious negative effects on the people they're supposed to serve.
People die because they do not get access to health care waiting in extra long lines with single payer. People come here from Canada and other countries because they can't wait for surgery. People seem to think because the government provides a service it automatically is better than a non-government one.
Baloney. People with urgent issues don't wait in line. The lines are for elective procedures.
The number of Canadians who go to the US is less than one half of one percent, and many of those are elderly snowbirds who are already in the US for the winter and get sick.
"GPs have been paid bonuses to put elderly patients on controversial ‘death lists’ in an attempt to save the NHS money by cutting the number of people who die in hospital."
Are you from Britain? Do you seriously think Brits would tolerate this?
when is a necessary MRI an elective procedure?
when is cancer surgery an elective procedure?
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Originally Posted by weltschmerz
Baloney. People with urgent issues don't wait in line. The lines are for elective procedures.
The number of Canadians who go to the US is less than one half of one percent, and many of those are elderly snowbirds who are already in the US for the winter and get sick.
People die because they do not get access to health care waiting in extra long lines with single payer.
People come here from Canada and other countries because they can't wait for surgery.
People seem to think because the government provides a service it automatically is better than a non-government one.
Had you bothered to even read the links, you would have gleaned the fact that less than one half of one percent of Canadians access your healthcare and of those; your failed stats make no attempt to distinguish between those who do so to obtain an MRI, for instance or those who were snowbirding and needed emergency or medical intervention care while there. They also make no mention of the fact that should a Canadian require a service, that is for some reason unobtainable in a timely fashion, (again the MRI is the common denominator examp0le) he/'she may indeed be SENT for that care and it will be PAID for by his/her universal system.
In short, those FEW Canadians who travel to the U.S. for the express purpose of accessing a service are doing so for reasons of personal convenience NOT necessity but I think you know that already don't you? We've certainly been over this very same issue enough times on here for you to have seen those stats before.
I won't bother posting any links to compare the per-capita ratios of any of the countries providing UHC coverage who are seeking care elsewhere so as to avoid embarrassing you any further.
Who says you have to pay for a private plan? Nice twist of reality there, but it's pretty a pretty obvious ploy to deflect attention because you've got nothing else.
You pay for private plans if you can afford them and want more, just like in a proper capitalist country. You got a problem with capitalism?
And do you also have a problem with this, the first sentence in the article you linked?
I'd certainly pay 8% for that. I pay a lot more now for health insurance through my employer.
Truth pi$$es you off, huh?
No one has to get a private plan.
But the ones that do say it's so they can get timely appointments and better hospital accommodations.
That's across several countries.
That 8% is on top of the 6% you pay now.
It's not 2% added to your 6%..it's 8% on top of and probably more here in the US since government doesn't pay the doctors/hospitals except for medicare/medicaid.
So you're looking at 15-20% FICA taken out of your paycheck every week.
Obamacare has been such a smashing success, I really see the merit in turning over the whole thing to the government.
It's called "A test run". In manufacturing, you make prototypes and then you do test runs.
When the prototype is fatally flawed, when the test run has a less than 10% success run... Signing the release to say "Stake the company and customers on it" is an act, not of wisdom and caring, but absolute madness.
In contracting or buying, you get test projects or samples... And if either one is a failure like the above, it comes off your list of prospective candidates. The fact that in 3 years, the federal government can't implement a website with complex features isn't even faintly surprising.
The only thing that's surprising, is that there are a few who insist that this failure means they need to immediately jump to full commitment of them being in charge of EVERYTHING.
The libs never stop to think that maybe one small reason why spending on medical care is higher in the US because our doctors believe quality overrules costs. It's why even in small towns they have multiple blood and tissue labs, MRI and CAT scanners, and other expensive medical equipment, whereas in Canada they are few and far between, hence their loner waiting lines.
A lot of people don't even need MRIs, but many doctors prescribe them because they own the very expensive machines and need to make their money back.
Baloney. People with urgent issues don't wait in line. The lines are for elective procedures.
The number of Canadians who go to the US is less than one half of one percent, and many of those are elderly snowbirds who are already in the US for the winter and get sick.
Yup, all baloney, but a very lucrative trade in medical care and services none the less.
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