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His religious beliefs forbid him to bake cakes for gay people? What kind of stupid belief system is that?
Should be allowed to refuse service to black people too? What if he were a doctor? Should he be allowed to refuse to treat gay people?
We'll never outlaw bigotry, but we CAN outlaw discrimination disguised as "freedom of religion".
Here is what I don't get. What if the person really just doesn't like gay people for whatever reason ? Is that really so wrong ? Do we have to like everyone ? It's his choice what he chooses to do, it's his business.
In MI we are allowed to conceal carry a firearm, but private business can choose whether or not to let us in by posting a "no firearms allowed " sign. It sucks but it's his choice, I'm not crying about it. I know everyone is going to jump on this and say it's different and it is.. but then again it isn't. It just seems like we are losing our "freedom of choice" over PC BS laws. It is just getting out of hand.
Here is what I don't get. What if the person really just doesn't like gay people for whatever reason ? Is that really so wrong ? Do we have to like everyone ? It's his choice what he chooses to do, it's his business.
In MI we are allowed to conceal carry a firearm, but private business can choose whether or not to let us in by posting a "no firearms allowed " sign. It sucks but it's his choice, I'm not crying about it. I know everyone is going to jump on this and say it's different and it is.. but then again it isn't. It just seems like we are losing our "freedom of choice" over PC BS laws. It is just getting out of hand.
Gun freaks are not a protected class. That's why it's different.
There is no "freedom of choice" in any legal sense. When you run a public business, you are not allowed to discriminate against customers of any protected class. Nothing is getting out of hand -- here in Minnesota, it has been illegal, since 1993, to discriminate against gays in a business transaction. These laws are not new.
Here is what I don't get. What if the person really just doesn't like gay people for whatever reason ? Is that really so wrong ? Do we have to like everyone ? It's his choice what he chooses to do, it's his business.
He's more than free to feel however he likes about gay people. That's not wrong at all. And no one is forcing him to change his opinion. This has nothing to do with that whatsoever.
This is simply about a refusal to serve people based on their sexual orientation, which is illegal under Colorado law.
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In MI we are allowed to conceal carry a firearm, but private business can choose whether or not to let us in by posting a "no firearms allowed " sign. It sucks but it's his choice, I'm not crying about it. I know everyone is going to jump on this and say it's different and it is.. but then again it isn't. It just seems like we are losing our "freedom of choice" over PC BS laws. It is just getting out of hand.
Gun ownership is not covered under anti-discrimination law, so that would be a valid reason for refusal of service.
What you're thinking is the rate among LGBT youth, which another study finds can be lowered by a positive and supportive environment. An article on the Huffington Post breaks it down by region and it's pretty much what you'd expect, with the highest rates in the South. However, there have been some high profile gay teen suicides in recent years, inspiring programs like the It Gets Better Project. This doesn't necessarily reflect suicide rates themselves. One likely scenario is that gay rights are themselves in the news right now, and it's much harder for the closeted gay kid in some Mississippi backwater to fly under the radar, as was an option in the past. Thus, bullying increases, increasing the likelihood of suicide.
Basically, reality is nuanced, but this does not negate the need for equality.
He's more than free to feel however he likes about gay people. That's not wrong at all. And no one is forcing him to change his opinion. This has nothing to do with that whatsoever.
This is simply about a refusal to serve people based on their sexual orientation, which is illegal under Colorado law.
this country's first amendment is supposed to guarantee that things like this court case don't happen.
If you don't like the first amendment change it by constitutional amendment or better leave this country, or better yet this world.
What you're thinking is the rate among LGBT youth, which another study finds can be lowered by a positive and supportive environment. An article on the Huffington Post breaks it down by region and it's pretty much what you'd expect, with the highest rates in the South. However, there have been some high profile gay teen suicides in recent years, inspiring programs like the It Gets Better Project. This doesn't necessarily reflect suicide rates themselves. One likely scenario is that gay rights are themselves in the news right now, and it's much harder for the closeted gay kid in some Mississippi backwater to fly under the radar, as was an option in the past. Thus, bullying increases, increasing the likelihood of suicide.
Basically, reality is nuanced, but this does not negate the need for equality.
you did not understand what I said.
fact there are more "gay suicides" today then there were years ago.
this country's first amendment is supposed to guarantee that things like this court case don't happen.
If you don't like the first amendment change it by constitutional amendment or better leave this country, or better yet this world.
Sure, I'll just move to the moon because you don't understand the the Constitution works.
The First Amendment gives you the right to practice your religion as you see fit. However, in no way whatsoever does it negate any other law, or provide an exemption from following any other law.
you did not understand what I said.
fact there are more "gay suicides" today then there were years ago.
now figure out why
For me to do that, you'll have to provide a source that what you're saying is true. I didn't find anything about that when I looked. Do you have a link?
If it is true, my guess is that those suicides occurred in less supportive areas, as noted in all the links I posted that you apparently never bothered to read.
Read those links, then figure out why gay men are more mentally healthy than straight men and get back to me.
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