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Marriage is NOT about children. Never was, never will be. Marriage is a bond that two (or more) people who want to spend the rest of their lives with each other go through in order to make it official and to secure their relationship with one another.
"Make it official"?
For what "official" purpose would they "make it official"?
Are they not officially in an "official" relationship until they make it "official"?
"Secure their relationship"?
In what sense does a marriage license make a homosexual relationship "secure"?
And secure from what?
We know a marriage license protects faithful spouses and their children from the very real consequences of heterosexual infidelity (extramarital children), but what does that have to do with homosexuals?
You aren't seriously going to claim a same-sex marriage is needed to protect homosexuals from gay infidelity are you?
If not that, then what?
"Having sex for the purpose of having children is about children. Not marriage."
Yes, and marriage is about protecting the rights of those children and the sexually faithful partner.
Protecting a sexually faithful homosexual partner when no material harm (excepting herpes and hurt feelings) can come from homosexual infidelity is a solution in search of a problem and an Orwellian ruse.
So, according to your logic, seniors, people past childbearing age, couples who don't want kids and infertile people have no business getting married. Is that what you're saying?
Originally Posted by momonkey Last I heard, homosexual infidelity still can't produce a love child so I see no need to have a family court referee someone's childless gay soap opera.
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Originally Posted by lycos679
Marriage doesn't have anything to do with kids.
Homosexuals do have kids.
Marriage has nothing to do with kids? The entire premise of marriage is to expand the citizenry through procreation. Why do you think governments give tax breaks to married couples? The homosexual agenda undermines the entire premise of population expansion. When populations become stagnant, countries tend to decline and fail.
It'll be a miracle when homosexuals have kids independent of a third party, otherwise it's impossible for them to bear children. There's a huge difference between "having children" and creating them.
So, according to your logic, seniors, people past childbearing age, couples who don't want kids and infertile people have no business getting married. Is that what you're saying?
Practiced twisting of words, all based on your logic, not momonkeys.
Practiced twisting of words, all based on your logic, not momonkeys.
Not at all. I was responding to the premise of there being no point of making a relationship official if there will be no children forthcoming.
It's nonsense.
Correction - one consenting adult can marry another so long as the couple is man/woman. In the 17-19 states where Same Sex Marriage is legal, one consenting adult *can* marry another consenting adult.
Nice try though.
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Marriage is NOT about children. Never was, never will be. Marriage is a bond that two (or more) people who want to spend the rest of their lives with each other go through in order to make it official and to secure their relationship with one another.
"Make it official"?
For what "official" purpose would they "make it official"?
Are they not officially in an "official" relationship until they make it "official"?
You lost me. What the hell are you saying?
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"Secure their relationship"?
In what sense does a marriage license make a homosexual relationship "secure"?
And secure from what?
In what sense does a marriage license make a heterosexual relationship "secure"?
And secure from what?
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We know a marriage license protects faithful spouses and their children from the very real consequences of heterosexual infidelity (extramarital children), but what does that have to do with homosexuals?
What doesn't it have to do with homosexuals? Marriage licenses are official recognition by the state of the union between two people, regardless of sex or relation.
Try again.
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You aren't seriously going to claim a same-sex marriage is needed to protect homosexuals from gay infidelity are you?
If not that, then what?
That's what you're saying. Sorry.
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"Having sex for the purpose of having children is about children. Not marriage."
Yes, and marriage is about protecting the rights of those children and the sexually faithful partner.
Protecting a sexually faithful homosexual partner when no material harm (excepting herpes and hurt feelings) can come from homosexual infidelity is a solution in search of a problem and an Orwellian ruse.
Sorry, but no. Marriage is for *all* Americans, not just the ones that meet your silly little mold of what a married couple ought to be.
Marriage has nothing to do with kids? The entire premise of marriage is to expand the citizenry through procreation. Why do you think governments give tax breaks to married couples? The homosexual agenda undermines the entire premise of population expansion. When populations become stagnant, countries tend to decline and fail.
Marriage has nothing to do with kids.
The child tax credit is available to anyone, gay or straight, that has a kid.
The adoption deductions are available to anyone, gay or straight, that adopts.
People will still have kids (oops!) independent of marriage.
Marriage was based on a strategic alliance between families, not a desire to expand the population. Ancient gay marriage also involved business deals.
Marriage was rare among the peasants and typically a tradition for the noble class.
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Originally Posted by surfman
It'll be a miracle when homosexuals have kids independent of a third party, otherwise it's impossible for them to bear children. There's a huge difference between "having children" and creating them.
And? Marriage has nothing to do with kids. There is absolutely no law that restricts marriage to fertile, heterosexual couples that intend to have kids, nor has there ever been such a law.
Marriage has nothing to do with kids? The entire premise of marriage is to expand the citizenry through procreation.
No, marriage has absolutely nothing to do with kids or procreation. Having sex is part of relationships and even marriage, but having kids is not a requirement for either one.
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It'll be a miracle when homosexuals have kids independent of a third party, otherwise it's impossible for them to bear children. There's a huge difference between "having children" and creating them.
The entire premise of marriage is to expand the citizenry through procreation. Why do you think governments give tax breaks to married couples? The homosexual agenda undermines the entire premise of population expansion. When populations become stagnant, countries tend to decline and fail.
What do you think this is, the New World of the 1600s when we had colonies we were trying to populate?
People are popping out babies all the time. Within and outside of marriage. No need to worry that the population is going to decline.
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