Breaking: Utah's Same-Sex Marriage Ban Struck Down by Federal Judge (Alabama, Massachusetts)
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So then what do we have, separate but equal? Sorry, but that has been proven to not work and besides, the 1049 rights that go with civil marriage are granted by the federal government, not the states or the church. And the federal government has already stated that they will not recognize civil unions, nor domestic parnterships, that those unions should be commuted to marriage, since all the rights are already in place with just a simple marriage license. Unless conservatives expect that gay couples should receive less rights in their unions than straight people do, there is no reason to create a separate designation for gay couples unions if all the rights are the same. When they declared all bans on interracial marriage nulled, those unions were afforded the same rights, the same privileges and the same protections, not different, not separate. SEPARATE IS NEVER EQUAL.
They are not the same nor equal, in so many ways. Things that are the norm in same sex marriages, are rare or incomprehensible in a traditional marriage. While things that are the norm in a traditional marriage are impossible in a same sex marriage.
They are not the same nor equal, in so many ways. Things that are the norm in same sex marriages, are rare or incomprehensible in a traditional marriage. While things that are the norm in a traditional marriage are impossible in a same sex marriage.
Then you ought to be more clear when you make such statements.
Maybe there is a leak in the sewage treatment plant next to Lake Park - and seeped into the water of Brewtown - and it is the cause of this non-clarity.
Harrier is willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. (Isn't he nice!)
If a state has legal protections called marriage, the state has to show how denying those legal protections to a segment of society will further a compelling state interest in order to legally deny that segment equal legal protections. The state has not been able to do so in the case of same sex marriage in any of the cases that have come before the court.
Example.
The state has licenses that a person has to get to be allowed to legally drive on public roads.
The state has a vote to deny drivers licenses to a segment of society.
*1. age
*2. gender
If the state can show how the denial of licenses promotes a compelling state interest those restrictions can stand.
*1. age. allowing 10 year olds to drive would cause more traffic accidents.
*2. gender. Denying males would not further a compelling state interest, so males are not denied drivers licenses.
That is how equal protection of the law works.
And yet the ages for men and women in marriage laws are not the same within many states. In these states a girl can marry at a younger age then a man. Other states have restrictions on marrying someone you are related too, again, arbitrary, not the same, and not equal.
I'm sure we need some activist federal judge to decide for the entire nation what ages and blood relations can marry.
So, what were the colonists who defeated the British in the Revolutionary War, creating this grand republic in the process and aftermath, fighting for?
Did you really just dismiss the entire basis for why you are free to sit at your keyboard and type what you wish without reprisal from a government entity?
Try following the conversation you decide to respond to. Thanks.
Then you ought to be more clear when you make such statements.
Maybe there is a leak in the sewage treatment plant next to Lake Park - and seeped into the water of Brewtown - and it is the cause of this non-clarity.
I'll repeat it....no one is interested in your marriage or your kids. No one. No one gives a crap about your marriage or your kids. Do you understand now?
a tyrannical judiciary overruling the will of the people, as was done here in California, as well as in Utah
Uh-huh. And if some member of the "tyrannical" judiciary were to overrule the people of Maine or Minnesota (both of which have approved same-sex marriage at the ballot box), would you approve or not?
And BTW, repeating the nonsense phrase "gay army" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over does not lend any credence to your supposition that there is any such thing. It just makes you look silly.
Try following the conversation you decide to respond to. Thanks.
Harrier is, and your statement made no sense, which is why Harrier asked if you thought that the colonists weren't fighting for their rights during the Revolutionary War.
And yet the ages for men and women in marriage laws are not the same within many states. In these states a girl can marry at a younger age then a man. Other states have restrictions on marrying someone you are related too, again, arbitrary, not the same, and not equal.
And if people feel the need to fight to have those inequalities remedied, they can do so. Until such a time, they will remain the same.
People are fighting the inequality in marriage based on the gender of the people getting married, and they are winning in case after case based on the 14th amendment.
No, the judge ruled that a law (state constitutional amendment) was unconstitutional based on the 14th amendment.
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Originally Posted by freemkt
Obvious question:
Why did it take just about, oh, 150 years for this right to be discovered?
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Originally Posted by jjrose
Because it took, oh, 150 years for people to start standing up and fighting for their rights.
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Originally Posted by Harrier
Really?
So, what were the colonists who defeated the British in the Revolutionary War, creating this grand republic in the process and aftermath, fighting for?
Did you really just dismiss the entire basis for why you are free to sit at your keyboard and type what you wish without reprisal from a government entity?
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Originally Posted by jjrose
Try following the conversation you decide to respond to. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Harrier
Harrier is, and your statement made no sense, which is why Harrier asked if you thought that the colonists weren't fighting for their rights during the Revolutionary War.
Were they?
Care to try again?
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