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Old 12-23-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Wilsonville, OR
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Isn't she the one who proclaimed her bias when she said that "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would, more often than not, reach a better conclusion, then a white male who has not lived that life"?

You are pinning your hopes on a quasi-racist?
How is that quasi-racism? There are a lot of things that a white male, in his position of privilege, simply cannot experience in his life. A lot of them feel very okay with not examining their privilege, and that's how you end up with people similar to many of those that post in this sub-forum.

 
Old 12-23-2013, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Texas
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How is that quasi-racism? There are a lot of things that a white male, in his position of privilege, simply cannot experience in his life. A lot of them feel very okay with not examining their privilege, and that's how you end up with people similar to many of those that post in this sub-forum.
Way off topic.

However I doubt you'd find most white males, say, in the heart of rural Appalachia to be very privileged.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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How is that quasi-racism? There are a lot of things that a white male, in his position of privilege, simply cannot experience in his life. A lot of them feel very okay with not examining their privilege, and that's how you end up with people similar to many of those that post in this sub-forum.
Please be so kind as to inform me of my special privileges as a white male so that I may begin to take advantage of them.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 01:54 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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How is that quasi-racism? There are a lot of things that a white male, in his position of privilege, simply cannot experience in his life. A lot of them feel very okay with not examining their privilege, and that's how you end up with people similar to many of those that post in this sub-forum.
Excellent response - and spot on!
 
Old 12-23-2013, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Yeah, we noticed that. We also noticed that the SCOTUS was forbidden from doing so. If the court determines the plaintiffs had no standing to sue, it has a duty to dismiss the case and not consider the merits.
The fact remains that SCOTUS did not say that gays have a right to marry in Hollingsworth v. Perry.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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So then what do we have, separate but equal? Sorry, but that has been proven to not work and besides, the 1049 rights that go with civil marriage are granted by the federal government, not the states or the church. And the federal government has already stated that they will not recognize civil unions, nor domestic parnterships, that those unions should be commuted to marriage, since all the rights are already in place with just a simple marriage license. Unless conservatives expect that gay couples should receive less rights in their unions than straight people do, there is no reason to create a separate designation for gay couples unions if all the rights are the same. When they declared all bans on interracial marriage nulled, those unions were afforded the same rights, the same privileges and the same protections, not different, not separate. SEPARATE IS NEVER EQUAL.
Why not simply abolish government from being involved in the marriage business?
 
Old 12-23-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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Why not simply abolish government from being involved in the marriage business?
How do you handle it legally then? There has to be some government involvement, no matter what it's called.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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If a state has legal protections called marriage, the state has to show how denying those legal protections to a segment of society will further a compelling state interest in order to legally deny that segment equal legal protections. The state has not been able to do so in the case of same sex marriage in any of the cases that have come before the court.

Example.

The state has licenses that a person has to get to be allowed to legally drive on public roads.
The state has a vote to deny drivers licenses to a segment of society.
*1. age
*2. gender

If the state can show how the denial of licenses promotes a compelling state interest those restrictions can stand.
*1. age. allowing 10 year olds to drive would cause more traffic accidents.
*2. gender. Denying males would not further a compelling state interest, so males are not denied drivers licenses.

That is how equal protection of the law works.
Utah was not specifically denying anyone from getting married.

Its law defined what marriage is - a union between a man and a woman.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I'll repeat it....no one is interested in your marriage or your kids. No one. No one gives a crap about your marriage or your kids. Do you understand now?
Harrier isn't married nor does he have kids.

He does have two beautiful nieces!

So, what exactly was your point?
 
Old 12-23-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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Utah was not specifically denying anyone from getting married.

Its law defined what marriage is - a union between a man and a woman.
It is very possible to define something in a manner that denies something to somebody. Even my 6 year old niece understands that.
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