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Old 12-28-2013, 06:14 AM
 
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"Women in the Marine Corps will be allowed into ground combat in 2016"--You know what that will mean there's going to be many unnecessary american deaths in time of war.

Female Marines Not Required To Do 1 Pull-Up | CNS News
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Old 12-28-2013, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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"Women in the Marine Corps will be allowed into ground combat in 2016"--You know what that will mean there's going to be many unnecessary american deaths in time of war.

Female Marines Not Required To Do 1 Pull-Up | CNS News
This isn't news, they have never been required to do a pull up. They do a "flexed arm hang" or something. The thing is, men only have to do 3 pull ups to pass the PT test.

I do believe if women are going to serve in combat they should have to pass the exact same standards as a man. Some women are capable of combat roles but in order to find them we should hold them to identical standards.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:50 AM
 
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They have watered down several schools to make way for females. I personally have seen the transition of the RCC (riverines) school. My husband went through before the merge and push for more females in the NECC, the physical standards have been halved so that there would be female graduates. Eventually, all of the branches will have gender neutral standards, all that means is that they will be lowered to accommodate females. Welcome to our PC military.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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"Women in the Marine Corps will be allowed into ground combat in 2016"--You know what that will mean there's going to be many unnecessary american deaths in time of war.

Female Marines Not Required To Do 1 Pull-Up | CNS News
I don't see how you can draw a straight line between the number of pull ups someone can do and an increase in dead soldiers.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Pa
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I don't see how you can draw a straight line between the number of pull ups someone can do and an increase in dead soldiers.
I have been in combat and can't remember a time a pull up was required in combat.
What I do know is that if you are in the field humping 80 plus pounds of gear in your pack you better be in shape and no not all women or even most that I trained with can do it. At least not for the distance that is required of their male counterparts. I have met women who made it through ranger training running the same course as their male counterparts...
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:00 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I don't see how you can draw a straight line between the number of pull ups someone can do and an increase in dead soldiers.

The point is that there are now (and have been for decades) gender normed physical standards. Which has been an open secret since women were integrated into the various branches.

When women were first accepted into USN AOCS (that program is no longer operating. All USN OCS candidates now attend training in Newport, RI. Aviation candidates used to have a separate program at NAS Pensacola) the swimming, running and general fitness requirements for women were less than men. The differences were embodied in shorter distances, lengthened time allowed and fewer repetitions, among other changes.
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:00 AM
 
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I don't see how you can draw a straight line between the number of pull ups someone can do and an increase in dead soldiers.
He can't, because his statments dont match reality. The first women just passed the Marine infantry course, with the same exact requirements and still aren't permitted to serve. Those mentioned in the article aren't front line soldiers.

Three women pass Marine

First paragraph. Same weight, same distance.
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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A pullup indicates upper body strength without external leverage being used. When would that be applicable in the field? More appropriate would be how females and males perform in an obstacle course with relevant load bearing equipment while fatigued and in inclement weather and lighting conditions or over varying types of terrain.

I notice at my gym that few males are capable of executing a pullup. They appear to have normal weight to height proportions.
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:23 AM
 
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Do soldiers routinely do pullups in the heat of battle? I just can't see how this will 'ruin our military.'
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:27 AM
 
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Do soldiers routinely do pullups in the heat of battle? I just can't see how this will 'ruin our military.'
That was Teaspeak for women will ruin the military, showing us all that they do in fact have a 1950s view of women.
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