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Wrong, the crux of the matter is that no government has been given the power to tell you what you may and may not put in your own body.
In order for them to do so, the government would need to establish ownership of your body such in a fudal or a totalitairian regime.
America by law, is a county of free persons with ownership of their own bodies.
In order to constitute a crime, it must be proven that someone has somehow done damage to someone else.
In the case of drug use or posession, no such damage exists.
Reps to you as well Jim. No harm, no foul. It's silly to label someone a criminal, and potentially prosecute them for smoking a doobey in the privacy of their own home, when they haven't caused harm to anyone else. Now on the other hand, get stoned, then drive, and cause an accident where people could be hurt or even killed... well now we have a criminal act, don't we?
Reps to you as well Jim. No harm, no foul. It's silly to label someone a criminal, and potentially prosecute them for smoking a doobey in the privacy of their own home, when they haven't caused harm to anyone else. Now on the other hand, get stoned, then drive, and cause an accident where people could be hurt or even killed... well now we have a criminal act, don't we?
Yes, but we cannot go around persecuting people on the suspicion that they may commit a crime at some point in the future or we might as well just lock up everyone.
you can twist it all you want!!! but that's not what I'm saying,, where did I say that cocaine should be sold over the counter.. I said their should be a war on corrupt doctors, their the ones giving hard core opiate pain pills to every tom dick and harry..
What are you saying?
You support legalization, and at the same time you argue doctors should regulate medicines MORE than now. You can't have it both ways? Tom, Dick and Harry use pain meds because they are legal.
Yes, but we cannot go around persecuting people on the suspicion that they may commit a crime at some point in the future or we might as well just lock up everyone.
I agree. And my scenario was based on if your actions cause harm to someone else, then that could be considered criminal. So, since I indulge in cannabis in the privacy of my own home, and don't make it a habit to take a joyride right afterwards, then I say leave me the f*** alone!
I think given total freedom, people will choose halfway decent choices. Almost every deleriant is legal, but nobody does them because they are really dangerous and give you crap experiences. Oh, but deleriants are REALLY HARD drugs, we should make them illegal!!! Wrong. People will figure out what's best if they have choices in what they can use.
And is it really a degradation of society to have people using drugs? I don't believe so. Is it a degradation of society to have addicts? Yes. Drug use and drug addiction are two different things, however painkillers blur these lines because they are so addicting.
Again that's why we need a war on addiction!
@Finn, you still haven't considered that maybe people wouldn't try painkillers as much if they had access to other drugs.
You support legalization, and at the same time you argue doctors should regulate medicines MORE than now. You can't have it both ways?
Are you really so simple? Come on Finn, I've seen some good posts of yours on other topics.
How about we differentiate between Corporate Drugs and Non-Corporate Drugs instead of Legal vs Illegal. Your brain seems to be stuck on those two words. The only way a drug will be made legal in our sick society is if it can be sold for mass-profit by Corporations via a patent.
That is why Marijuana is illegal-It has nothing to do with health or safety. Corporations simply cannot patent a plant that grows wildly all over The Earth and always has. But Corporations and Governments can still do the next best thing and profit from it's illegality.
And please stop bringing hard drugs into your talking points-only a miniscule percent of the population partakes in hard illegal drugs and the bloated budget for the DEA is spent mostly on Marijuana-Not hard drugs.
It is about profit, power and control. You have just been fed propaganda for far too many years.
I think given total freedom, people will choose halfway decent choices. Almost every deleriant is legal, but nobody does them because they are really dangerous and give you crap experiences. Oh, but deleriants are REALLY HARD drugs, we should make them illegal!!! Wrong. People will figure out what's best if they have choices in what they can use.
And is it really a degradation of society to have people using drugs? I don't believe so. Is it a degradation of society to have addicts? Yes. Drug use and drug addiction are two different things, however painkillers blur these lines because they are so addicting.
Again that's why we need a war on addiction!
@Finn, you still haven't considered that maybe people wouldn't try painkillers as much if they had access to other drugs.
Like cuxan kindly suggested, when people have a choice they wil choose what is legal, and currently they are choosing pain meds. If you legalize cocaine and heroine, they can choose one of those, but how is that going to improve the situation?
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What are you saying?
You support legalization, and at the same time you argue doctors should regulate medicines MORE than now. You can't have it both ways? Tom, Dick and Harry use pain meds because they are legal.
personally the only thing I really want to see totally legalized is weed.. the war on hard drugs is a total failure so I say it's time to try what Portugal did, or something else entirely..
the war on weed is the biggest failure in all the wars in American history!!! 76 years and they have not accomplish one dang thing.. this country could have new infrastructure for all the trillions wasted on the war on weed
Are you really so simple? Come on Finn, I've seen some good posts of yours on other topics.
How about we differentiate between Corporate Drugs and Non-Corporate Drugs instead of Legal vs Illegal. Your brain seems to be stuck on those two words. The only way a drug will be made legal in our sick society is if it can be sold for mass-profit by Corporations via a patent.
That is why Marijuana is illegal-It has nothing to do with health or safety. Corporations simply cannot patent a plant that grows wildly all over The Earth and always has. But Corporations and Governments can still do the next best thing and profit from it's illegality.
And please stop bringing hard drugs into your talking points-only a miniscule percent of the population partakes in hard illegal drugs and the bloated budget for the DEA is spent mostly on Marijuana-Not hard drugs.
It is about profit, power and control. You have just been fed propaganda for far too many years.
Can you just answer the question please.
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No harm, no foul. It's silly to label someone a criminal, and potentially prosecute them for smoking a doobey in the privacy of their own home, when they haven't caused harm to anyone else. Now on the other hand, get stoned, then drive, and cause an accident where people could be hurt or even killed... well now we have a criminal act, don't we?
