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Old 01-22-2014, 01:04 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by risotto11 View Post
Reading your post I thank God, yes, God, that I was born and raised Roman Catholic so I don't have to reject ToE on religious/ethical grounds. There is no conflict between science and religion as the use different methodologies. Simple as that.

What's going on this thread is crazy: ToE although a theory is widely around the world, you have to be crazy to even argue against unless you are yourself an accomplished biologist/paleontologist etc etc
I can't believe people still have these conversations in XXI century???
I'm not arguing against ToE. I've said many times that ID does not preclude ToE, nor does ToE preclude ID. They coexist. Some species and variations of species have evolved in an undirected process, and others haven't (example: GMO crops).

 
Old 01-22-2014, 01:06 PM
 
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The "intelligent" cause you postulate is God.
When did I ever say God created GMO crops?

You're being BLATANTLY dishonest.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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When did I ever say God created GMO crops?

You're being BLATANTLY dishonest.
No, you are denying that "intelligent design" is creationism. "Intelligent designer" is an avatar for God. Your steadfast denial of that fact does not make it true.

Your little GMO gambit is just silly. it has nothing to do with the Theory of evolution.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 01:30 PM
 
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No, you are denying that "intelligent design" is creationism.
The NIH disagrees with you.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 01:45 PM
 
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Wrong. I would LOVE to see some evidence.
However, every time we ask for some, we get some convoluted gibberish about how pretty everything is.
"Look at the majestic mountains! Look at glorious sunsets! Look at how well everything works!"
That's not evidence.
And what kind of evidence will you accept? I've given atheists documented cases of divine healing with verification from doctors and pictures of tests. Not good enough.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The NIH disagrees with you.
If you mean the National Institutes of Health, I doubt that it has any opinion on "intelligent design" at all.

Has the NIH issued a policy statement on "intelligent design"? Link, please.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 01:51 PM
 
Location: "Chicago"
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No, you are denying that "intelligent design" is creationism. "Intelligent designer" is an avatar for God. Your steadfast denial of that fact does not make it true.

Your little GMO gambit is just silly. it has nothing to do with the Theory of evolution.
Has to be the strangest and most slender of straws anyone could grasp at! Surely he's just doing it for hyperbole.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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I've given atheists documented cases of divine healing with verification from doctors and pictures of tests. Not good enough.
OK, divine healing. Now we're getting somewhere. Would that be akin to a Miracle?
 
Old 01-22-2014, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Yet it's funny that anytime I go to efforts to present evidence of the supernatural, the atheist immediately goes to work to desperately debunk it any way possible. Be honest, evidence is the last thing you want.
When have you ever presented any evidence for the supernatural? If you have I'm sorry I missed it..... Could you point this evidence out to me, as I would very much like to examine it.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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Hmmm...

ID: "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."

Nothing about creationism, no mention that all life was created by a certain entity, and we already have factual examples of exactly that definition: human-created hybrid crops and GMO crops.
You are to be congratulated...You have come up with one of the lamest arguments for creation that I have ever seen.
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