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Just wondering if ssm supporters had anything next on thier agenda... thats what came to mind when I read the title of the op... I have no agenda, just curious what their next objective is. Is that Ok?
Oh, I don't know, perhaps the right to bear arms, to be secure from government spying, to not be subject to warrant-less searches, to feel secure in their homes, and other rights guaranteed by the constitution, but not so much in practice.......... you know the same things that I want, and I suspect you do.
I suspect the title is based on the concept that SSM is going to destroy marriage for opposite sex partners, which is one of the cries from the homophobes. Seems if their marriage is so fragile, they should be working on their own marriage instead of worrying about who others marry.
I suspect the title is based on the concept that SSM is going to destroy marriage for opposite sex partners, which is one of the cries from the homophobes. Seems if their marriage is so fragile, they should be working on their own marriage instead of worrying about who others marry.
Er, no, maybe it is badly phrased but it is not what I meant at all (english is not my first language)
What I wanted to discuss is if people who oppose it, will still continue to fight it and how or if they'll move on.
I'm in very full support of SSM and I actually have a hard time understanding why it is so hard and takes so long in the USA.
Er, no, maybe it is badly phrased but it is not what I meant at all (english is not my first language)
What I wanted to discuss is if people who oppose it, will still continue to fight it and how or if they'll move on.
I'm in very full support of SSM and I actually have a hard time understanding why it is so hard and takes so long in the USA.
I am not sure there is a large portion of people publicly fighting or opposing it... It is probably more of political hot water that is cooling down and will soon be in the rear view. I am betting that most are tired of the kabooki theatre that has made for political tv all over it.
Er, no, maybe it is badly phrased but it is not what I meant at all (english is not my first language)
What I wanted to discuss is if people who oppose it, will still continue to fight it and how or if they'll move on.
I'm in very full support of SSM and I actually have a hard time understanding why it is so hard and takes so long in the USA.
It will be no different than any other bigotry that exists. In this country, especially in the south, racism is still quite common. Passing laws, rulings by the Supreme Court, are not going to change the minds of people. Bigotry is alive and well, especially in the bible belt.
Racism and the hatred it manifests are still common family values throughout the rural south. Though the schools and churches are integrated, it is not all inclusive, as there are many churches that are totally segregated, and the same is true for private schools. The hatred/bigotry regarding anyone different, be it skin color, sexual preference, and even gender has been programmed into these people since before they were potty trained. It won't go away by passing law, or even for generations as they are teaching the same hate/bigotry to their children. Christian beliefs, especially the more fundy varieties are used as the excuse or motivation to continue down this path.
It will be no different than any other bigotry that exists. In this country, especially in the south, racism is still quite common. Passing laws, rulings by the Supreme Court, are not going to change the minds of people. Bigotry is alive and well, especially in the bible belt.
Racism and the hatred it manifests are still common family values throughout the rural south. Though the schools and churches are integrated, it is not all inclusive, as there are many churches that are totally segregated, and the same is true for private schools. The hatred/bigotry regarding anyone different, be it skin color, sexual preference, and even gender has been programmed into these people since before they were potty trained. It won't go away by passing law, or even for generations as they are teaching the same hate/bigotry to their children. Christian beliefs, especially the more fundy varieties are used as the excuse or motivation to continue down this path.
It will be no different than any other bigotry that exists. In this country, especially in the south, racism is still quite common. Passing laws, rulings by the Supreme Court, are not going to change the minds of people. Bigotry is alive and well, especially in the bible belt.
Racism and the hatred it manifests are still common family values throughout the rural south. Though the schools and churches are integrated, it is not all inclusive, as there are many churches that are totally segregated, and the same is true for private schools. The hatred/bigotry regarding anyone different, be it skin color, sexual preference, and even gender has been programmed into these people since before they were potty trained. It won't go away by passing law, or even for generations as they are teaching the same hate/bigotry to their children. Christian beliefs, especially the more fundy varieties are used as the excuse or motivation to continue down this path.
If it ever is, which probably won't because most states including the South is against it, you will start to see polygamist and incest groups demanding a right to marry as well, they will say they are being persecuted and liberals will come to their rescue and say that such lifestyles are completely normal and label anyone who speaks out against it as a bigot.
Basically the same thing they do with Gay marriage already.
If it ever is, which probably won't because most states including the South is against it, you will start to see polygamist and incest groups demanding a right to marry as well, they will say they are being persecuted and liberals will come to their rescue and say that such lifestyles are completely normal and label anyone who speaks out against it as a bigot.
Basically the same thing they do with Gay marriage already.
Unfortunately, you're right. The reason we don't allow polygamy and incest is that marriage is/was about protecting children and sometimes that meant protecting them from being born. Gay unions do not produce biological children and pose no such issues, hence, if we allow gay marriage we are declaring that marriage has nothing to do with protecting children which means we must allow both polygamy and incest because marriage is now about your freedom to choose to be married to whomever you want.
On the bright side, I can marry my best friend in addition to dh and cover her on my medical insurance and no one will be able to say boo about it because no one has the right to question my choice of marital partners or my reasons for taking them.
If it ever is, which probably won't because most states including the South is against it, you will start to see polygamist and incest groups demanding a right to marry as well, they will say they are being persecuted and liberals will come to their rescue and say that such lifestyles are completely normal and label anyone who speaks out against it as a bigot.
Basically the same thing they do with Gay marriage already.
That's ridiculous, and pretty much playing into every debunked "slippery slope fallacy" in existence... but you guys still keep trying to convince us it's true, don't you??
For the record, I couldn't care less if someone marries a relative or multiple spouses. And for those who love to use religious arguments against SSM, the polygamy & incest is actually what the Bible PREFERS and "endorses" above almost anything. Heck, in my own culture (Ashkenazi Jewish) marrying cousins is considered the ultimate score! My great-uncle married a second cousin, and that was just within the last century. But if we're discussing legal marriage, two unrelated same-sex individuals is a completely different issue from multiple and/or related spouses; logistically speaking.
If it ever is, which probably won't because most states including the South is against it, you will start to see polygamist and incest groups demanding a right to marry as well, they will say they are being persecuted and liberals will come to their rescue and say that such lifestyles are completely normal and label anyone who speaks out against it as a bigot.
Basically the same thing they do with Gay marriage already.
As long as all parties are consenting adults and you are not required to participate, what difference does it make?
If they are happy, all I can say is "Mazel Tov!"
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