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Which still doesn't explain why the right wing kooks want to give MORE, MORE, MORE to the government they claim is THE problem.
I dont.. I havent heard this from very many individuals.. Those of us who want to cut down the size of government hear the left wing kooks non stop moaning and groaning about how people will DIE and grannies will be thrown off the cliff if we stop expanding the size of government...
Sequester, shutting down government, left wing doom and gloomers all projecting the world will collapse... while those of us on the right are laughing at these doomsday sayers..
Why is it your party so consistently has a plank in its platform calling for MORE defense spending? WHY do you want to give more firepower to the government you fear?
And please spare us the fantasy you'd be able to defend yourself against that very same government's M1 Abrams Tanks, FA-18s, etc. because you have an AR15 or two in the closet.
Why do you assume the 'government is a problem folks' are republican? Defense spending as well as social welfare spending needs to be cut dramatically.
Not all of us blindly follow one party or another.
Thtas because the multiplier effects are bull crap..
If you spend $1 in food stamps on food, or $1 in cash on food, the net increase to the economy is the same.. But left wing kooks want us to believe that food stamps generate $2.50 per $1 spent, but they cant tell me then why we dont just give everyone food stamps so even Warren Buffet can do his part to stimulate spending his food stamps...
The vast majority of competent economists who spend their entire life studying this disagrees.
Weird huh? So should I believe those folks, or some random guy on a forum?
Seriously, you could at least come up with a argument that was remotely intellectual, for example "Multiplier effects are a short term benefit, but I don't believe in their long term ability to change the value of them". But no I get an argument that clearly indicates that you think a nations economy is just like your household.
An easy argument could be made that we should give everyone food stamps, I'd certainly argue for it to be honest. It would result in people not worrying that working would cost them their ability to feed their families for example.
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I dont.. I havent heard this from very many individuals.. Those of us who want to cut down the size of government hear the left wing kooks non stop moaning and groaning about how people will DIE and grannies will be thrown off the cliff if we stop expanding the size of government...
Sequester, shutting down government, left wing doom and gloomers all projecting the world will collapse... while those of us on the right are laughing at these doomsday sayers..
I notice the only answers you have so far is 'left wing kooks' this and 'left wing kooks' that. IF you don't hear spend MORE, MORE, MORE on defense from individuals, WHY is it consistently a part of the GOP's platform? Gonna blame that on left wing kooks too?
Why is it your party so consistently has a plank in its platform calling for MORE defense spending? WHY do you want to give more firepower to the government you fear?
And please spare us the fantasy you'd be able to defend yourself against that very same government's M1 Abrams Tanks, FA-18s, etc. because you have an AR15 or two in the closet.
To answer the first part, because the military is THE ONE THING that our constitution says is the responsibility of the federal government. I dont fear our government, I fear people such as obama in charge of our military , I have much more faith in our military leaders than I do politicians. With exceptions wesleyclark of course.
To answer the first part, because the military is THE ONE THING that our constitution says is the responsibility of the federal government. I dont fear our government, I fear people such as obama in charge of our military , I have much more faith in our military leaders than I do politicians. With exceptions wesleyclark of course.
So the preamble has NOTHING about oh say "promote the general Welfare"
The vast majority of competent economists who spend their entire life studying this disagrees.
Weird huh? So should I believe those folks, or some random guy on a forum?
Seriously, you could at least come up with a argument that was remotely intellectual, for example "Multiplier effects are a short term benefit, but I don't believe in their long term ability to change the value of them". But no I get an argument that clearly indicates that you think a nations economy is just like your household.
An easy argument could be made that we should give everyone food stamps, I'd certainly argue for it to be honest. It would result in people not worrying that working would cost them their ability to feed their families for example.
You seriously misunderstand what government multiplier effects are. Government multiplier effects in the US are typically calculated over lifetime pension returns, and it shouldn't surprise anyone that there is a multiplier. government multipliers are simply instruments to put leverage on a balance sheet. They are given while ignoring the added liabilities incurred by debt spending. You can't claim a higher income due to government multipliers while ignoring the liability side of that equation.
Additionally, if you were to research multiplier effects depend greatly on unemployment levels. In low unemployment situations, government multipliers are around 212%. When unemployment is high, it is as low as 53%. Why would you then want more government spending in high unemployment environments?
All leverage increases equity. It does so at the cost of a higher liability. Why do you think that increase in risk is a good thing, when done by government? With all due respect, think about the economics of what you are saying.
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