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Old 01-20-2014, 01:41 PM
 
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Luckily, practicality trumps ideology. Pnw is all ideology and no practicality. His ideas work in theory,but they do not work in practice.
What I advocate works in practice... Your arguments are all theoretical and ideological.
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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No, none of them make sense. Both are definitive examples of sheer insanity.
Down to flat statements now?

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Insurance is a for-profit financial service.
Yes. That's part of the problem.
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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Look, its simple.

Before the ACA, we had a system set up where people could walk into an ER with the flu, and get treated, at obscene cost for no good reason. All because they had no insurance to see a family doctor, that runs 25% the cost of the ER visit.

We had medicaid, but it has holes. We have medicare, but thats for the elderly.

So you either

a) continue the ER visits, which costs tax payers more money through tax write offs

or

b) pay for them someway.

We went with B. We now mandated that everyone buy some form of insurance for themselves, so they can visit the family doctor.

I don't like a government mandate on buying anything, so I have long said that we need a limited single payer system. Meaning we define what is "essential" medical care. That single payer system takes care of that essential care. Even throw in a waiting list. IF you don't like waiting lists, or only receiving essential care, then you can buy supplemental insurance for whatever you want, and that will speed up your waits.

The other option is to let people go without care, at all. Deal with your broken arm, your flu, your cancer by yourself.
I agree that the ER visits were off-loaded onto the paying customers.

However, lots of people have seen their insurance premium payments become bloated, going up anywhere from 25%-300%. Then add to that, all the news taxpayer expense for the tens of millions who now qualify for free taxpayer subsidies for their bloated health insurance premiums. I think we are back to square one with the cost of health care being off-loaded onto the paying customers.
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Are you trying to make an argument, or just another infantile rant that falls under logical fallacies?
Neither. I just asked several questions, which you are apparently unable to answer. Would you advocate a gov't takeover of the food and shoe industries?
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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It's not discretionary spending. If your appendix is about to burst, you're not in a position to do comparison shopping. You just need that s.cker out, now.
So?

I don't subscribe to your nonsensical hypotheticals.

A laproscopic appendectomy can be had for less than $10K.

Again, if you can afford Obamacare insurance premiums, you can afford your own health care WITHOUT Obamacare policies AND you'd be better off without it.
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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What I advocate works in practice... Your arguments are all theoretical and ideological.
You're putting forward the pre-ACA US medical system as something that "works in practice"? Wow.
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:45 PM
 
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Down to flat statements now?

Yes. That's part of the problem.
There is no such thing as "non profit insurance".
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:45 PM
 
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Good. I hope it does.
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:47 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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I don't think Obamacare was designed to fail, I just think it was the best law that was able to be enacted at the time because of people like Joe Lieberman. That said, no liberal will deny that single payer is our ultimate goal. This is a conservative conspiracy theory that is actually true and not something I even think liberals have been trying to hide.
The ultimate goal of Obamacare is communism. This law opens up everybody to government control to the basics of life, health and your bank account.
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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Yes, if that route is taken, then we should repeal the emergency care act that Reagan signed into law.

Release hospitals from the liability of caring for those who can not pay.
And of course most Americans would never support that.
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