Single Mothers and Poverty (legal, insurance, abortions, financial)
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Stop trying to put words in my mouth.. because no where in there did I say anything of the sort.
The situation is not as black and white as you would like to make it...
It would be nice, however, if a days work equaled fair wages - in otherwords, too bad we can't eliminate the term "working poor" from our vocabulary. No body that works should make so little that they are required to be subsidized by the government.. Unfortuately the same people that don't want to support low income access to birth control and whine about those that recieve welfare.. also dont' want to pay a living wage to those that are working but still living at or below the poverty level...
Stop trying to put words in my mouth.. because no where in there did I say anything of the sort.
The situation is not as black and white as you would like to make it...
It would be nice, however, if a days work equaled fair wages - in otherwords, too bad we can't eliminate the term "working poor" from our vocabulary. No body that works should make so little that they are required to be subsidized by the government.. Unfortuately the same people that don't want to support low income access to birth control and whine about those that recieve welfare.. also dont' want to pay a living wage to those that are working but still living at or below the poverty level...
So who is responsible for raising your children? You or the government?
So who is responsible for raise your children? You or the government?
As as I said.. ultimately I am..
But what do you suggest happens when someone that wasn't in poverty when they had children suddenly finds them IN poverty..
Do you think it's so easy for a single mother to get two or three jobs to make the income required to NOT live at or below the poverty level?
If that happens.. what happens to the child.. who are they with? Who watches the child while the single mother goes out and earns that job?
At one point I took a job at Amazon during the holiday season for $11/hour. NOt too bad.. however, had I not been in a new relationship with someone self employed.. who woudl have watched my then 4 year old while I worked from 7am to 5pm about 40 minutes from my home.. when daycare was only available from 8am to 5pm? And how the hell would I have paid for that.. because it would have taken almost my entire paycheck .. and even if there was money left after the daycare was paid for, it wouldn't have been enough for rent, food, heat! Thank GOD there are programs available to assist single parents with daycare payment assistance so they can work!
Because if a women does go out and work two or three jobs, her children are then unsupervised.. and are often the same "bad" children that someone like YOU would criticize for raising poorly.
We have a responsibility, like it or not, as a society to each other! Therefore, when a mother finds herself single and struggling, it's nice that we have a society for which we can turn to assist us.
Or would you prefer that single mothers and their children live in paper boxes and starve to death
So Rand Paul's answer is to punish the children by withholding benefits
Many of the poor and homeless do work that is why they are called the "Working Poor"
Most of the poor that receive help from the government are children, the old and military veterans.
” When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint; but when I asked why there are so many poor people, they called me a communist ” Dom Helder Camara
Sounds to me more like he was pandering to the audience. It's not a plan.
Rand Paul used an example of a single mother with 4 children who now has a 5th child, which fits the stereotype he targeted. The average number of children in a TANF household is 1.8 and only 8% have more than three children. While single motherhood is declining for blacks, it's been increasing for white women for 20+/- years.
In the example Rand Paul used, I would favor permanently removing all the children from the mother's home and placing them up for adoption with families who had the means and emotional maturity to raise children.
But what do you suggest happens when someone that wasn't in poverty when they had children suddenly finds them IN poverty..
Do you think it's so easy for a single mother to get two or three jobs to make the income required to NOT live at or below the poverty level?
If that happens.. what happens to the child.. who are they with? Who watches the child while the single mother goes out and earns that job?
At one point I took a job at Amazon during the holiday season for $11/hour. NOt too bad.. however, had I not been in a new relationship with someone self employed.. who woudl have watched my then 4 year old while I worked from 7am to 5pm about 40 minutes from my home.. when daycare was only available from 8am to 5pm? And how the hell would I have paid for that.. because it would have taken almost my entire paycheck .. and even if there was money left after the daycare was paid for, it wouldn't have been enough for rent, food, heat! Thank GOD there are programs available to assist single parents with daycare payment assistance so they can work!
Because if a women does go out and work two or three jobs, her children are then unsupervised.. and are often the same "bad" children that someone like YOU would criticize for raising poorly.
We have a responsibility, like it or not, as a society to each other! Therefore, when a mother finds herself single and struggling, it's nice that we have a society for which we can turn to assist us.
Or would you prefer that single mothers and their children live in paper boxes and starve to death
You and you alone decided that your children should starve to death not me! You and you alone brought your children to this world when YOU know full well that you have no means to support their lives.
Sounds to me more like he was pandering to the audience. It's not a plan.
Rand Paul used an example of a single mother with 4 children who now has a 5th child, which fits the stereotype he targeted. The average number of children in a TANF household is 1.8 and only 8% have more than three children. While single motherhood is declining for blacks, it's been increasing for white women for 20+/- years.
In the example Rand Paul used, I would favor permanently removing all the children from the mother's home and placing them up for adoption with families who had the means and emotional maturity to raise children.
Of course the statistics are nonsense because the government definition of poverty is nonsense.
By government standards, a single parent on welfare, living in Section 8 housing with her boyfriend is "poor" and a retired homeowner without a mortgage and living on Social Security, can be "poor", while a childless burger flipper working full time and paying half his income on rent is not poor.
Obvious nonsense. Garbage in, garbage out.
If/when I find myself in this position the first thing I am going to do is share living space with other people. It may not be ideal but sure beats paying half my income in rent. We all make choices.
Sounds to me more like he was pandering to the audience. It's not a plan.
Rand Paul used an example of a single mother with 4 children who now has a 5th child, which fits the stereotype he targeted. The average number of children in a TANF household is 1.8 and only 8% have more than three children. While single motherhood is declining for blacks, it's been increasing for white women for 20+/- years.
In the example Rand Paul used, I would favor permanently removing all the children from the mother's home and placing them up for adoption with families who had the means and emotional maturity to raise children.
Thanks for pointing out the stats.
I do take issue with the last part of what you said.. first, whose to say that the parent isn't emotionally mature..
And. .if there is no access for low income earners to getting birth control.. AND you eliminate the option of abortion, which many of the right oppose both.. you set them up for failure in NOT having that 5th child.. and then force them to be pulled away from their child. That is just hear wrenching and downright cruel. You can't force that kind of decision on someone. No more than you can force them to have an abortion if they don't want one. To some adoption AND abortion are two options that would be hard to live with.
I do take issue with the last part of what you said.. first, whose to say that the parent isn't emotionally mature..
And. .if there is no access for low income earners to getting birth control.. AND you eliminate the option of abortion, which many of the right oppose both.. you set them up for failure in NOT having that 5th child.. and then force them to be pulled away from their child. That is just hear wrenching and downright cruel. You can't force that kind of decision on someone. No more than you can force them to have an abortion if they don't want one. To some adoption AND abortion are two options that would be hard to live with.
First off.. yes, indeed I've heard of contraception. As a matter of fact, if you bothered to read my posts you'll see that I said when I became single and fell into poverty, I went to Planned Parenthood to get access to birth control so that I didn't end up pregnant should I start having a relationship or engage with someone..
And, you also didn't answer my question about what happens when a women who has a baby when they weren't in poverty, finds herself IN poverty later in life. Life is funny that way.. you can plan but sometimes plans don't work out and life has other plans for you. Hence the fact that many single mothers didn't start out parents in poverty.. Yes, some did.. but not all do..
Lastly.. you also failed to read (or are purosefully ignoring) my post in which I laid out that the same inividuals that rail against welfare and liken women in poverty to societal leeches, are also the same kind that also don't want to help a low income individual have affordable access to birth control or allow them to be covered under their insurance! .. or even allow them the option to abort the pregnancy should their birth control fail ( I can't tell you how many people I know got pregnant on accident even while on birth control because a) they either missed a pill b) were on antiobiotics while taking the pill and didn't know that it kind of negates the pill or c) the condom broke! - fortunately they weren't poor, but it happens to even poor people).
So.. Republicans dont' want welfare and belittle women who are single mothers and are on it.. but they also have been doing all they can to destroy Planned Parenthood (which serves underprivledged neighborhoods and low income individuals) and make abortions illegal..
It's illogical...
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